Re: NON HAM QUESTION 2.4gHz hearing aid

Jim Parks

2.4 ghz is also a common frequency of the magnetrons in microwaves.




Jim Parks  NY0J




From: <> On Behalf Of Rob via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] NON HAM QUESTION 2.4gHz hearing aid


I had no idea something as simple as an audio amplifier has gelled into such complex

found this on the web:

It is a common misconception that wireless hearing aids use Bluetooth. In fact, most so-called "wireless" hearing aids on the market today rely on a technology called near field magnetic induction, and use a Telecoil to receive a signal sent from an intermediary device (a neck loop transmitter), which is worn around the user's neck. A main limitation of this technology is that the transmitter must be within 3 feet of the hearing instrument. These hearing instruments do not contain Bluetooth technology. The Bluetooth connection only exists between the neck loop transmitter and the audio device (for example a television or other audio device) which translates the Bluetooth signal into a near field magnetic induction signal.

Recent technological breakthroughs in the miniaturization of radio frequency antennae have enabled hearing instruments to embed the radio antenna inside the hearing instrument. This approach provides a direct connection from the hearing aid to the wireless audio transmitter (typically connected to the television or other audio device), eliminating the need for the user to wear any intermediary device around their neck and allowing them to be up to 30 feet from the transmitter. These devices operate on 2.4 GHz.

2.4 GHz is a widely used and globally accepted frequency band and is used by most cordless phones, video game consoles, home wireless networks, garage door openers and many other common everyday wireless items. The 2.4 GHz platform can communicate directly, device to device. As mentioned, the induction/T-coil-based "wireless" hearing aids require the user to wear a neck loop to transmit the signal to the hearing aids. In addition, the Bluetooth communication between the audio device and neck loop transmitter introduces significant time delays, which can cause disturbing echo or lip-synch effects when watching television.

Another misconception is that hearing aids that operate on 2.4 GHz encounter interference because it is a commonly used wireless platform. Hearing aids using the 2.4 GHz wireless technology safeguard against interference in two ways. One is by transmitting exceptionally small data packets. With each data packet being only 0.00016 to 0.0005 seconds long, there is a high probability of uninterrupted transmission for that reason alone. A further safeguard is frequency hopping. This means that each time a new piece of data is to be sent, a new channel out of 35 possible channels is picked for the transmission. Because other devices in the 2.4 GHz band use different channel selection strategies, they virtually always steer clear of each other. This approach of "hopping" among channels has virtually eliminated the interference many used to experience with early cordless phones. This same approach to frequency hopping can now be found in hearing instruments and prevents annoying interference between wireless devices.

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On 12/29/2018 10:23 AM, pileupjunkie via Groups.Io wrote:

Thanks John,

I never tried to hear it but read about it in the manual

Thanks for responding




  All microprocessors and microcontrollers have a clock.  That crystal oscillator is probably what you are hearing.


72 - john - n0hj

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From: John Evans <john.evans.n0hj@...>
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Sent: Sat, Dec 29, 2018 10:09 am



  All microprocessors and microcontrollers have a clock.  That crystal oscillator is probably what you are hearing.


72 - john - n0hj


On 12/29/2018 7:58 AM, pileupjunkie via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi QRPers,

Can someone explain to me why the hearing aids I have put out a carrier at 3.84 MHz

-40 dBua/m at 10 meters

These tiny things have 2 transceivers built in.

The other one is 2.4 GIG 4 dBm eirp.

I really do not need these but they were offered to me by the girl that gave me the hearing test so I took the offer.

I searched and they sell for $2,700.00 each/

Appreciate any information.

Thank you






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