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Re: Preferred tone frequency

Bill Cromwell
 

Hi,

We should setup our radios for whatever we prefer. If there is no adjustment as Curt has mentioned we should use whatever that produces. I have one that is not adjustable and is 600 Hz. I dial the incoming signal to 600 Hz on my waterfall and *go*. I may install RIT on the rig to get me to my preferred 500 Hz. More likely I have better things to do so 600 it is.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 02/07/2017 05:49 PM, @CurtisM [4sqrp] wrote:

My guess is our preferences mostly fit between 650 and 750 Hz. Note if a rig isn't adjustable, the offset between the transmitter and our favorite pitch gives our offset error.

73 Curt

--
bark less - wag more


Re: Preferred tone frequency

dekle@...
 

See 4sqrp Group message number 5214.

Bill
KV6Z


Got my room booked!

Ed Meyer, WG5F
 

Just booked our room for OzarkCon 2017 at the Stone Castle Hotel.

Looking forward to a great set of presentations..

Had more nice prize donations confirmed today.

Should be a terrific convention this year!

I'm anxious to see some of the items being built for show & tell.

72,

-Ed & Karen-

WG5F & W5KKM


Re: Preferred tone frequency

Curt
 

My guess is our preferences mostly fit between 650 and 750 Hz.  Note if a rig isn't adjustable,  the offset between the transmitter and our favorite pitch gives our offset error. 

73 Curt


Message to London sent earlier

Jim Sheldon
 

Due to a typographical error, here is a re-send of my last - it would
have been mostly unreadable. The proper sequence follows:

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Hidden Oscillator

dekle@...
 

            At the conclusion of the prize drawings on Saturday I’m going to activate a small rf oscillator and hide it somewhere in or around the Stonecastle. The person that returns it to me will receive an unbuilt Hy-Per-Mite* audio filter kit as a prize.

            The oscillator is set to approximately 7116.5 kHz and it switches on for about 1.5 seconds and off for about the same amount of time. You will be able to hear it with your cw receiver. (Actually it’s possible to "hear" it with just a portable AM shortwave receiver but during the ‘on’ time it will just quiet the receiver and you won’t get the nice CW note without a BFO). I can hear it with my County Comm GP-5/SSB receiver 125 feet away. I’ll let it run until someone finds it or until I have to leave on Sunday.

            It will be hidden in a “common” area that is accessible to everyone at any time. Nothing will have to be disassembled and nothing of any major consequence will have to be moved to find it. It will be stationary and its retrieval will not require you to be in an unsafe situation.

 

Good luck.

 

73

Bill

KV6Z

 

*The Hy-Per-Mite is a killer filter.  Check this out:

https://aa7ee.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/using-the-nm0s-hi-per-mite-filter-from-4sqrp-to-make-a-simple-40m-dc-cw-rx/

 



Preferred tone frequency

davemrtn <davemrtn@...>
 


I am not wanting to cause a long thread of responses to my question, but here it goes...

A few years ago when the Hi-Per-Mite was first released, there considerable discussion of the ideal or preferred tone frequency for cw.

Does know or remember the results of that discussion ?

What was the majority preference for tone freq. ?

NA1MH



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Re: BJ stability

Curt
 

Honestly a varactor does not seem to be a huge impact on regen stability,  as these things can receive with high fidelity.  the varactor Q will vary some with bias but I am doubting any noticeable impact. 

My homebrew WBR has commercial varactors, and seems sharper than these receivers with makeshift varactors, but its only a coarse observation.

Has anyone measured their regens with a audio FFT like spectrogram?

73 curt


Re: BJ stability

RWeeks <neotoxo54@...>
 

http://qrpguys.apps-1and1.com/para80set

SENT FROM MY IPAD MINI
Rocky Weeks, AF5AF
East Arkansas Fur Takers, FTA Chap 29B
Arkansas Trappers Assoc.
South Western Arkansas Fur Takers, FTA Chap 29A

On Feb 6, 2017, at 17:19, kn2i.radio@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:

 

Curt,

I have a BJ on order but am also interested in the Para80Set.  Would you mind giving us more information on it including ease of building and operating performance?  Thank you.

Dennis KN2I



---In 4sqrp@..., wrote :

Dave

I can't even remember my first CW operations as a novice, without a sidetone (but I still have the QSLs).  My second setup used an HW16, which has a sidetone (as every rig I have built and used perhaps since then). 

If you called this op who said your frequency was a bit low -- keep this in mind: the receive passband on a BJ is very wide compared to most anyone's receiver.  your ability to put your transmitter and receiver on same pitch is how well you match them by ear. 

I suspect all is well with your BJ. 

I imagine someone will post how to homebrew a sidetone in the BJ.  the rival Para80Set has both sidetone and electronic TR switching - so its a bit modern in these features!  Its a smaller board and isn't set up to be a front panel -- so guess what I have some drilling to do to get this thing put into a box. 

note a sidetone circuit can operate in parallel if you don't insist it come through your headphones.  I am a bit surprised they did not leave space on the board for sidetone circuitry, but needless to say it should fit easily inside the hobby lobby box. 

CUL Curt



On Monday, February 6, 2017 11:49 AM, David Wilcox wrote:


I did have one contact that said my frequency was a little low when I first called him but then was stable for the rest of the QSO.  He said my transmit frequency was right on, same as I had determined here at home.  I haven't had any other comments.

I do find the lack of a side tone to be very handicapping since my CW skill is poor.  I tried another small receiver near to the rig and that does help.

Dave K8WPE

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:41 AM, wb8yyy@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:
>
> Curt



Re: BJ stability

Dennis Kolpanen KN2I
 

Curt,

I have a BJ on order but am also interested in the Para80Set.  Would you mind giving us more information on it including ease of building and operating performance?  Thank you.

Dennis KN2I


---In 4sqrp@..., <wb8yyy@...> wrote :

Dave

I can't even remember my first CW operations as a novice, without a sidetone (but I still have the QSLs).  My second setup used an HW16, which has a sidetone (as every rig I have built and used perhaps since then). 

If you called this op who said your frequency was a bit low -- keep this in mind: the receive passband on a BJ is very wide compared to most anyone's receiver.  your ability to put your transmitter and receiver on same pitch is how well you match them by ear. 

I suspect all is well with your BJ. 

I imagine someone will post how to homebrew a sidetone in the BJ.  the rival Para80Set has both sidetone and electronic TR switching - so its a bit modern in these features!  Its a smaller board and isn't set up to be a front panel -- so guess what I have some drilling to do to get this thing put into a box. 

note a sidetone circuit can operate in parallel if you don't insist it come through your headphones.  I am a bit surprised they did not leave space on the board for sidetone circuitry, but needless to say it should fit easily inside the hobby lobby box. 

CUL Curt



On Monday, February 6, 2017 11:49 AM, David Wilcox <djwilcox01@...> wrote:


I did have one contact that said my frequency was a little low when I first called him but then was stable for the rest of the QSO.  He said my transmit frequency was right on, same as I had determined here at home.  I haven't had any other comments.

I do find the lack of a side tone to be very handicapping since my CW skill is poor.  I tried another small receiver near to the rig and that does help.

Dave K8WPE

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:41 AM, wb8yyy@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:
>
> Curt



Re: BJ stability

deadgoose@...
 

I would consider the varactors to be a good source of instability.

73 /paul W3FIS


For Sale HB1B QRP transceiver

Bill VanKirk
 


Like new condition YouKits HB-1B CW transceiver. Covers 80m, 40m, 30m and 20m bands. Up to 5 watts output, digital VFO and adjustable filter for CW and will copy SSB as well.
Includes rechargeable battery and charger.
$180. Please contact me off list.


73

Bill

W0PT




Re: BJ stability

n5ib_2
 

I've found that to be a frequent comment.
 It often is from another op who isn't used to working rockbound stations.

You hear a CQ, plug in the closest crystal you have and answer
Other op hears you close by and replies but says you were off frequency
Other op retunes to your frequency
You still hear him in the wide Rx
You reply
He says "OK you're right on now" never realizing you didn't touch a thing  :^))

I've had exchanges on sked forums that proceeded as:

I'm on 7050.3
---can you go to 7055?
no, I'm crystal controlled
--- OK, I'll listen for you on 7055
can't transmit there, crystal control
--- can you switch to VFO?
no VFO here
---OK sorry, my tuner is set for 7055

I just chuckle and carry on  :^))

N5IB


---In 4sqrp@..., <djwilcox01@...> wrote :

I did have one contact that said my frequency was a little low when I first called him but then was stable for the rest of the QSO. He said my transmit frequency was right on, same as I had determined here at home. I haven't had any other comments.>


Re: BJ stability

Curt
 

Dave

I can't even remember my first CW operations as a novice, without a sidetone (but I still have the QSLs).  My second setup used an HW16, which has a sidetone (as every rig I have built and used perhaps since then). 

If you called this op who said your frequency was a bit low -- keep this in mind: the receive passband on a BJ is very wide compared to most anyone's receiver.  your ability to put your transmitter and receiver on same pitch is how well you match them by ear. 

I suspect all is well with your BJ. 

I imagine someone will post how to homebrew a sidetone in the BJ.  the rival Para80Set has both sidetone and electronic TR switching - so its a bit modern in these features!  Its a smaller board and isn't set up to be a front panel -- so guess what I have some drilling to do to get this thing put into a box. 

note a sidetone circuit can operate in parallel if you don't insist it come through your headphones.  I am a bit surprised they did not leave space on the board for sidetone circuitry, but needless to say it should fit easily inside the hobby lobby box. 

CUL Curt



On Monday, February 6, 2017 11:49 AM, David Wilcox


I did have one contact that said my frequency was a little low when I first called him but then was stable for the rest of the QSO.  He said my transmit frequency was right on, same as I had determined here at home.  I haven't had any other comments.

I do find the lack of a side tone to be very handicapping since my CW skill is poor.  I tried another small receiver near to the rig and that does help.

Dave K8WPE

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:41 AM, wb8yyy@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:
>
> Curt



Re: BJ stability

David Wilcox
 

I did have one contact that said my frequency was a little low when I first called him but then was stable for the rest of the QSO. He said my transmit frequency was right on, same as I had determined here at home. I haven't had any other comments.

I do find the lack of a side tone to be very handicapping since my CW skill is poor. I tried another small receiver near to the rig and that does help.

Dave K8WPE

On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:41 AM, @CurtisM [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:

Curt


Re: BJ stability

Curt
 

Possibly the instability experience outside the case is merely because the operators fingers are closer to the regeneration coil. 

I just built the Para80Set (from QRPGUYS) and this was what I experienced also.  (The instructions here suggest using a nylon screw or double-sided tape to secure the regen torroid to the board -- I don't know what arrangement the BJ uses here - but mechanical soundness is critical here. 

I have used nail polish to PTO coils -- but this is mostly because the wire used is much smaller diameter than used here.  I am thinking that it isn't necessary here, but no harm if you wish to do it.  If you can operate the rig without moving the frequency (or pitch) of the receive signal -- there is nothing needing treatment here.  Note because there isn't a narrow bandpass anywhere here -- you would only notice a frequency difference as a change in pitch. 

I can't think of any reason to treat the transistors with styrofoam or anything else.  The transistors being rigidly soldered to the board, cannot impact stability here.  It is nothing more than having everything in the box un-moving as the rig is operated.  Your report says everything is well with your rig -- no fixes required. 

Curt


Re: BJ stability

Curt
 

FWIW I used mine assembled but not in a case for a few QSOs.  Sitting on the operating desk it worked fine, no instability noted.  I have never used polish or anything else on toroids, never any issues and the BJ is no different.

Most times have had instabilities with radios it was caused by a poor or missed solder connection.  I personally wouldn't worry with polish or styrofoam.  Inspect the board for missed or poor connections.

GL n 72 Curt KB5JO Agent 002


BJ stability

David Wilcox
 

Now that I have my BJ back in its case it is quite stable. It seems to have acclimated itself to the shack temperature and has no appreciable drift during use even though the shack is warming up when I am using it. Again, very unstable out of the case, very stable back in the case with all bolts and screws tightly in place. I still have to add the finger nail polish to the toroid but may install some styrofoam pieces over the receiver transistors. Any thoughts on the latter thought?

Dave K8WPE


Alberta, Canada, VE100VIMY/VE6

James W. Hodgson
 

15:56 EST 20:56 Z
From Kingston, Ontario, Canada -
Operating USB on 14.219 MHz
Worked him a few minutes ago and announced operation over VE3KBR repeater.
Mitch is a lot louder now than he was earlier this afternoon where he was down in the noise with a lot of QSB/QRM

73
VA3KGB


Re: Christmas Greetings to the group

WA0ITP
 

Yes indeed! And this is exactly the main purpose of the kit.  Pse contact the kitter for the combined cost.  There is a 5 piece minimum for the quantity discount.  Who do you have in mind family, scouts, church group, club?   

Thank you for your interest in the CPO, its a great little teaching kit.

http://www.4sqrp.com/sscpo.php


72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com
On 2/4/2017 10:22 PM, James Shipley jamesshipley@... [4sqrp] wrote:

 
Does anyone know if there is a discount for multiple CPOs? I'd like to use this kit to teach electronics to kids.

Thanks,

James, KK4WXA



On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 11:07 AM, ai9e_qrp@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:
 

It's very early on the day after Christmas, and while the rest of the house is sleeping, I'm enjoying the total peace and quiet, and pausing to reflect on the past year.


What a year it's been!  The Four-State group has been busy!  New kits released, new kits in development, the biggest ever Ozarkcon behind us, and a bigger-yet Ozarkcon before us!  Gratitude is owed everyone in the 4SQRP group for making this group the success it is.  The cohesiveness, camaraderie, and cooperation behind this ever-growing group, scattered across many more than just the original four states, is a testament to the vision of that handful of hams who founded this group years ago.


The success and popularity of the new Bayou Jumper kit has really caught the attention of the QRP community, and is a prime example of what 4SQRP is all about.  To pull off a kit of this nature takes a dedicated team of volunteers; to do the electronic design, web design, purchasing, kitting, promotion, and beta testing, all of which is an essential part of kit development.  Even the group members whose conversations on this group and the Bayou Jumper Yahoo group have done their part to help promote it.  All deserve credit.


There is a new kit that is days from release, a Super Simple Code Practice Oscillator, an ideal first kit for a new hobbyist learning how to solder.  This kit was designed to meet part of the Boy Scout Electronics Merit Badge requirement, and available at a bulk discount for school or scout groups.  It would be a great kit to build with a special young person in your lives as an introduction to radio.  We're just waiting on some parts to arrive on a slow boat before it will be available.


There is a huge list of kit projects in development; a couple direct conversion rigs, a high-end SSB transceiver, a multi-band transceiver, station accessories, a vacuum tube rig, and more.  They all take time to get right, and the radio hobby that I love so well takes about 3rd or 4th place in my list of life priorities.  But, in the months ahead, I'll be releasing sneak peaks of kits in development to offer hints of good things to come!


In closing, I thank everyone for helping make 4SQRP a success, for making this group the most fun QRP group in the world, for making the drive to Branson every year, and for sharing your love of this hobby.  See you in Branson!


73 Dave NM0S