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Re: 40m Net

John KK4ITX
 

Bill,

Probably the only way to get more checked in is to have other ears and either relay or conduct the net by regions ?   I guess others hear me but not you.  If I was proficient I probably could relay for them/ you, but I’m not.

Hey, What do I know, I can just about get my Call out ?

 Don’t be discouraged it should get better.

John
KK4ITX 


If you need a parachute and don't have one you probably won't need one again.

On Jan 28, 2019, at 17:38, Ruth A Mumaw <k3nlt@...> wrote:

It is not your fault! Hopefully propagation will soon return. Depending on where NCS is located I may not be able to QNI.  RUSS  K3NLT



On January 28, 2019, at 3:46 PM, dekle <dekle@...> wrote:


Hello all.
I'm looking for someone to take over the 40m Wednesday Night CW Net.
I haven't had much luck lately and was wondering if someone else would be able to make more contacts than I have been able to.
Thanks.
Bill
KV6Z

Re: 40m Net

Johnny Matlock
 

Ge Bill
I have been considering moving the net to a earlier time slot.
I would be lucky to be home in time to call at 7:00?
What do you think about a time change?
73
Johnny AC0BQ 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:46 PM dekle <dekle@...> wrote:
Hello all.
I'm looking for someone to take over the 40m Wednesday Night CW Net.
I haven't had much luck lately and was wondering if someone else would be able to make more contacts than I have been able to.
Thanks.
Bill
KV6Z

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Re: 40m Net

Jeff Logullo N0̸MII
 

Speaking of relays... and also freely admitting I'm not at all proficient with net check-in procedures...

Can someone describe how relays work? I guess I'd like to read a description of how it works, both as the "station who cannot be heard by NCS" and as the potential relay station.

I can imagine things getting rather chaotic :-) but I also know there must be a logical way for this to happen.

Thanks,
Jeff N0̸MII 

On Jan 28, 2019, at 5:34 PM, jleahy00 via Groups.Io <jleahy00@...> wrote:

Bill,

Probably the only way to get more checked in is to have other ears and either relay or conduct the net by regions ?   I guess others hear me but not you.  If I was proficient I probably could relay for them/ you, but I’m not.

Hey, What do I know, I can just about get my Call out ?

 Don’t be discouraged it should get better.

John
KK4ITX 



--
Jeff N0̷MII

Re: 40m Net

Dave Benson
 

Jeff-

If someone's not being heard, you can get NCS's attention and send 'QSP',meaning 'relay'. When acknowledged by NCS, you send their call..  Assuming it's an informal net, the weak station will get credit for the check-in  ('QNI')

In general, listening to a few net sessions will give you a feel for how it flows.  If it's a traffic-oriented net, there's more to know, and resources should be available online.

73- Dave


On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 7:01 PM Jeff Logullo N0̸MII <jeff@...> wrote:
Speaking of relays... and also freely admitting I'm not at all proficient with net check-in procedures...

Can someone describe how relays work? I guess I'd like to read a description of how it works, both as the "station who cannot be heard by NCS" and as the potential relay station.

I can imagine things getting rather chaotic :-) but I also know there must be a logical way for this to happen.

Thanks,
Jeff N0̸MII 

On Jan 28, 2019, at 5:34 PM, jleahy00 via Groups.Io <jleahy00@...> wrote:

Bill,

Probably the only way to get more checked in is to have other ears and either relay or conduct the net by regions ?   I guess others hear me but not you.  If I was proficient I probably could relay for them/ you, but I’m not.

Hey, What do I know, I can just about get my Call out ?

 Don’t be discouraged it should get better.

John
KK4ITX 



--
Jeff N0̷MII

Re: 40m Net

dekle <dekle@...>
 

Hi Jeff,

Well here's what I do for relays:

When I call "CQ 4S NET" and get no replies, I send 

"NIL ANY QSP ?  K". (I may do this at two different times - once after the first QNI list is generated and later, when the list is exhausted and I get no additional replies.

At that point, if you hear a station that I didn't hear, you can send

"(Your Call)  QSP".

That tells me you hear someone. Then I will send "QSP GA".

At that point you QSO with the station you heard and get his (or her) information. (Note to the station that needs the relay - this is not the time to tell your life's story - just your name, QTH, RST for both the relaying station and the NCS, and a TNX to the relaying station will do.) Then the relaying station will call the NCS with the info. Something like this - "KV6Z de N0MII   Gertrude in Cleveland, Ohio sez ur 229 and I am 579 / AR de NoMII k. I will acknowledge the receipt of the info and then I will either call CQ 4S Net again, ask for additional QSPs, or conclude the net - whichever is appropriate.

73

Bill

KV6Z

On 28/01/2019 6:01 pm, Jeff Logullo N0̸MII wrote:

Speaking of relays... and also freely admitting I'm not at all proficient with net check-in procedures...
 
Can someone describe how relays work? I guess I'd like to read a description of how it works, both as the "station who cannot be heard by NCS" and as the potential relay station.
 
I can imagine things getting rather chaotic :-) but I also know there must be a logical way for this to happen.
 
Thanks,
Jeff N0̸MII 

On Jan 28, 2019, at 5:34 PM, jleahy00 via Groups.Io <jleahy00@...> wrote:

Bill,
 
Probably the only way to get more checked in is to have other ears and either relay or conduct the net by regions ?   I guess others hear me but not you.  If I was proficient I probably could relay for them/ you, but I'm not.
 
Hey, What do I know, I can just about get my Call out ?
 
 Don't be discouraged it should get better.
 
John
KK4ITX 
 

--
Jeff N0̷MII

Wednesday Evening 40 and 80 meter Nets - Wed, 01/30/2019 8:00pm-9:00pm #cal-reminder

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Reminder:
Wednesday Evening 40 and 80 meter Nets

When:
Wednesday, 30 January 2019
8:00pm to 9:00pm
(GMT-06:00) America/Chicago

Where:
40 and 80 Meters

Organizer:
jomatlock@...

Description:
The 40 Meter Net will be at 8:00 pm central time  on 7.122 +-. QRM
NCS will be Bill KV6Z.

Wednesday evening 80 Meter CW Net. will be at  (8:30PM Central Time Wednesday). 
The 80 meter net will be called on 3.564 MHz +/- QRM.
Net control operators are Johnny AC0BQ or Paul N0NBD.

* NEW *  Wednesday evening DMR Voice Net will be at (Thursday) 0300 UTC (9:00PM Central Time Wednesday/)
Four States QRP has a Brandmeister DMR Talk Group (TG31654). Join us to discuss QRP, ask questions, or just ragchew. The Wednesday net is a directed net  but any other time you may use the Talk Group to chat with other QRPers.
Net Control operator is Bert NØYJ.

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Re: 40m Net

dekle <dekle@...>
 

Hi Johnny,

I don't know what 80m would be like at 7:00.

I just worry that it's not fair for someone who tries to check in every week just can't hear me. I don't really know what the best thing to do is.

Bill

KV6Z


 

On 28/01/2019 5:37 pm, Johnny Matlock wrote:

Ge Bill
I have been considering moving the net to a earlier time slot.
I would be lucky to be home in time to call at 7:00?
What do you think about a time change?
73
Johnny AC0BQ 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:46 PM dekle <dekle@...> wrote:
Hello all.
I'm looking for someone to take over the 40m Wednesday Night CW Net.
I haven't had much luck lately and was wondering if someone else would be able to make more contacts than I have been able to.
Thanks.
Bill
KV6Z



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Re: 40m Net

N5VMO Pat
 

The relay stations is a VERY GOOD IDEA =)    If you have a chain of stations built up you can ask them to also call to see if they hear any stations checking in to the net and so on and so forth =)     Relaying works well if everyone is patient and make it fun and not WORK =)     If you just have one or two check ins just chat and keep the net going for the prescribe time and frequency and become CONSISTENT is the key to a good net =)


On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 8:55 PM dekle <dekle@...> wrote:

Hi Johnny,

I don't know what 80m would be like at 7:00.

I just worry that it's not fair for someone who tries to check in every week just can't hear me. I don't really know what the best thing to do is.

Bill

KV6Z


 

On 28/01/2019 5:37 pm, Johnny Matlock wrote:

Ge Bill
I have been considering moving the net to a earlier time slot.
I would be lucky to be home in time to call at 7:00?
What do you think about a time change?
73
Johnny AC0BQ 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:46 PM dekle <dekle@...> wrote:
Hello all.
I'm looking for someone to take over the 40m Wednesday Night CW Net.
I haven't had much luck lately and was wondering if someone else would be able to make more contacts than I have been able to.
Thanks.
Bill
KV6Z



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73's Pat  N5VMO


Tomorrow's DMR net topic

Robert
 



Will be: what can be done to improve our group's HF cw nets participation and success, with the challenges we face enduring our Solar minimum.

1. Net time
2. Relay station's
3. NVIS antennas 
4. 60 meters ???
5. Moon bounce 😉
6. Surely there is a way as long as there is a will

Bert 
N0YJ 

working on alignment hilltopper 20

KM6KJE
 

I was wondering what the center pin was to hook up a frequency counter to the section is alignment the CAL placement pin has only two pins  thanks

Wednesday Evening 40 and 80 meter Nets - Wed, 01/30/2019 8:00pm-9:00pm #cal-reminder

main@4SQRP.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Reminder:
Wednesday Evening 40 and 80 meter Nets

When:
Wednesday, 30 January 2019
8:00pm to 9:00pm
(GMT-06:00) America/Chicago

Where:
40 and 80 Meters

Organizer:
jomatlock@...

Description:
The 40 Meter Net will be at 8:00 pm central time  on 7.122 +-. QRM
NCS will be Bill KV6Z.

Wednesday evening 80 Meter CW Net. will be at  (8:30PM Central Time Wednesday). 
The 80 meter net will be called on 3.564 MHz +/- QRM.
Net control operators are Johnny AC0BQ or Paul N0NBD.

* NEW *  Wednesday evening DMR Voice Net will be at (Thursday) 0300 UTC (9:00PM Central Time Wednesday/)
Four States QRP has a Brandmeister DMR Talk Group (TG31654). Join us to discuss QRP, ask questions, or just ragchew. The Wednesday net is a directed net  but any other time you may use the Talk Group to chat with other QRPers.
Net Control operator is Bert NØYJ.

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thank you

Bill Lamm
 


Re: working on alignment hilltopper 20

Dave Benson
 

Terry-

Your frequency counter connects to the center pin of the BNC connector (J1). The counter's ground lead can be clipped to the BNC connector's shell.

When you power up with the jumper installed, the Hilltopper transmits for 5 seconds. During that time, you turn the tuning knob to bring the frequency to 14060 kHz.

-  Dave, K1SWL


On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 7:40 PM KM6KJE <terry.schulz@...> wrote:
I was wondering what the center pin was to hook up a frequency counter to the section is alignment the CAL placement pin has only two pins  thanks

Re: working on alignment hilltopper 20

KM6KJE
 

thanks, I got it

On Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 6:35:12 PM PST, Dave Benson <davek1swl@...> wrote:


Terry-

Your frequency counter connects to the center pin of the BNC connector (J1). The counter's ground lead can be clipped to the BNC connector's shell.

When you power up with the jumper installed, the Hilltopper transmits for 5 seconds. During that time, you turn the tuning knob to bring the frequency to 14060 kHz.

-  Dave, K1SWL

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 7:40 PM KM6KJE <terry.schulz@...> wrote:
I was wondering what the center pin was to hook up a frequency counter to the section is alignment the CAL placement pin has only two pins  thanks

Re: 40m Net

Charles W. Powell
 

Bill,

I think the problem is just at 40 meters is WAY too long at 2000 central during the winter. The net *might* work at 1900, and when I first started with these nets, the first one started at 1900.  The times were moved back for summer, because it was still daylight and the bands were too short, but they never were adjusted when winter came back around.  I think that was 2 years ago, but I wouldn’t swear to it.  Remember that over the summer, even though my logins were sporadic, I made it into just about every weekly net (when I was available) on both 40 and 80.  Then winter came with shorter days and the time change.  Effectively, we go around four hours later into darkness hours during the winter months.

So I know this only suggests a solution (different start time) that may or may not work with current band conditions.  If someone is available, I’d be happy to experiment with folks to see what times, if any, work, but I can’t do it this week because I am out of town.  I could be part of some experimentation next week on the 6th of February.  We could coordinate through the talkgroup.

Another *possible* change that won’t work for a lot of folks is to go to 160m.  I find 160 very challenging because 1) some of my radios don’t have that band, 2) antennas are a problem, and 3) the NOISE on 160 is impressive.

# Tangent.  The following is a tangent.  Stop now if you’ve already had enough! #

Having said all that, I discovered working last month that what “the old timers” say about dealing with noise.  We are all used to cranking the AF gain to try to hear signals.  That works fine on upper bands, but on 60, 80, and 160, the adjustment should be primarily through the RF gain.  Why? Let me put it this way: If you have S9 noise and you turn up the AF gain on the radio, the noise becomes overwhelming.  You know there is a signal that you can hear, but the noise is so loud, you can’t listen for more than a few minutes before you want to throw your headphones across the room.  If you reduce the RF gain to where the noise is at a tolerable level, then that signal is suddenly audible at a reasonable level over the noise.  You have optimized your signal-to-noise ratio by reducing the noise in the mix.  You might ask, “Doesn’t this reduce the sensitivity of the receiver?”  Well, yes, it does.  But if your noise is S-whatever, everything below that level is useless to you. So why amplify the noise and increase your level of fatigue?  The only thing to remember is to turn the RF gain back up when you change bands.  Otherwise you’ll think the front-end of your radio is blown!

The point?  Well, if you are trying to check into the 80 meter net, you know there are signals you can hear, and the noise is overwhelming, try this technique.

# End tangent #

72,

Chas - NK8O

On Jan 28, 2019, at 3:37 PM, Johnny Matlock <jomatlock@...> wrote:

Ge Bill
I have been considering moving the net to a earlier time slot.
I would be lucky to be home in time to call at 7:00?
What do you think about a time change?
73
Johnny AC0BQ 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:46 PM dekle <dekle@...> wrote:
Hello all.
I'm looking for someone to take over the 40m Wednesday Night CW Net.
I haven't had much luck lately and was wondering if someone else would be able to make more contacts than I have been able to.
Thanks.
Bill
KV6Z


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Re: 40m Net

Tim McDonough N9PUZ
 

The RF Gain control is the unsung here of any full featured radio. New hams are constantly amazed at turning up the volume and riding the RF Gain control to listen to other stations.

Tim / N9PUZ

On 1/30/2019 1:19 AM, Charles W. Powell via Groups.Io wrote:
# Tangent.  The following is a tangent.  Stop now if you’ve already had enough! #

Having said all that, I discovered working last month that what “the old timers” say about dealing with noise.  We are all used to cranking the AF gain to try to hear signals.  That works fine on upper bands, but on 60, 80, and 160, the adjustment should be primarily through the RF gain.

Re: 40m Net

WA0ITP
 

Good observations Chas, and FB coaching on the RF gain control.  Yes it's an excellent way to run a receiver.

Perhaps a solution for net time would be to specify Zulu and let CST and CDT wander around on their own.  IIRC, at one time, the 80M net began at 0130z, and the 40M net convened earlier, at 0100z I think.  Prop was better then tho.

Chas, I'd like to experiment on a new starting time, but I'll be out of town until mid, maybe late  Feb with no rig.  Perhaps others want to try out the bands at new times.

Another way of increasing checkins would be to post notes on various reflectors e.g QRP-L, QRP-Tech, KQ0RP, SLQS and any other groups that come to mind.

Let's keep plugging away and make the nets better. 
72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com
On 1/30/2019 1:19 AM, Charles W. Powell via Groups.Io wrote:

Bill,

I think the problem is just at 40 meters is WAY too long at 2000 central during the winter. The net *might* work at 1900, and when I first started with these nets, the first one started at 1900.  The times were moved back for summer, because it was still daylight and the bands were too short, but they never were adjusted when winter came back around.  I think that was 2 years ago, but I wouldn’t swear to it.  Remember that over the summer, even though my logins were sporadic, I made it into just about every weekly net (when I was available) on both 40 and 80.  Then winter came with shorter days and the time change.  Effectively, we go around four hours later into darkness hours during the winter months.

So I know this only suggests a solution (different start time) that may or may not work with current band conditions.  If someone is available, I’d be happy to experiment with folks to see what times, if any, work, but I can’t do it this week because I am out of town.  I could be part of some experimentation next week on the 6th of February.  We could coordinate through the talkgroup.

Another *possible* change that won’t work for a lot of folks is to go to 160m.  I find 160 very challenging because 1) some of my radios don’t have that band, 2) antennas are a problem, and 3) the NOISE on 160 is impressive.

# Tangent.  The following is a tangent.  Stop now if you’ve already had enough! #

Having said all that, I discovered working last month that what “the old timers” say about dealing with noise.  We are all used to cranking the AF gain to try to hear signals.  That works fine on upper bands, but on 60, 80, and 160, the adjustment should be primarily through the RF gain.  Why? Let me put it this way: If you have S9 noise and you turn up the AF gain on the radio, the noise becomes overwhelming.  You know there is a signal that you can hear, but the noise is so loud, you can’t listen for more than a few minutes before you want to throw your headphones across the room.  If you reduce the RF gain to where the noise is at a tolerable level, then that signal is suddenly audible at a reasonable level over the noise.  You have optimized your signal-to-noise ratio by reducing the noise in the mix.  You might ask, “Doesn’t this reduce the sensitivity of the receiver?”  Well, yes, it does.  But if your noise is S-whatever, everything below that level is useless to you. So why amplify the noise and increase your level of fatigue?  The only thing to remember is to turn the RF gain back up when you change bands.  Otherwise you’ll think the front-end of your radio is blown!

The point?  Well, if you are trying to check into the 80 meter net, you know there are signals you can hear, and the noise is overwhelming, try this technique.

# End tangent #

72,

Chas - NK8O

On Jan 28, 2019, at 3:37 PM, Johnny Matlock <jomatlock@...> wrote:

Ge Bill
I have been considering moving the net to a earlier time slot.
I would be lucky to be home in time to call at 7:00?
What do you think about a time change?
73
Johnny AC0BQ 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:46 PM dekle <dekle@...> wrote:
Hello all.
I'm looking for someone to take over the 40m Wednesday Night CW Net.
I haven't had much luck lately and was wondering if someone else would be able to make more contacts than I have been able to.
Thanks.
Bill
KV6Z


--
Check out the 4SQRP website at 4sqrp.com


Re: RF Gain control

Jim Pruitt
 

The idea is a good one and has been for decades.  The one question I had was...what do we use with most of the current homebrew and direct conversion rigs that have no separate RF gain controls to allow us to do this magic?

Thank you.

Jim Pruitt
WA7DUY

On 1/29/2019 11:19 PM, Charles W. Powell via Groups.Io wrote:
Bill,

Having said all that, I discovered working last month that what “the old timers” say about dealing with noise.  We are all used to cranking the AF gain to try to hear signals.  That works fine on upper bands, but on 60, 80, and 160, the adjustment should be primarily through the RF gain.  Why? Let me put it this way: If you have S9 noise and you turn up the AF gain on the radio, the noise becomes overwhelming.  You know there is a signal that you can hear, but the noise is so loud, you can’t listen for more than a few minutes before you want to throw your headphones across the room.  If you reduce the RF gain to where the noise is at a tolerable level, then that signal is suddenly audible at a reasonable level over the noise.  You have optimized your signal-to-noise ratio by reducing the noise in the mix.  You might ask, “Doesn’t this reduce the sensitivity of the receiver?”  Well, yes, it does.  But if your noise is S-whatever, everything below that level is useless to you. So why amplify the noise and increase your level of fatigue?  The only thing to remember is to turn the RF gain back up when you change bands.  Otherwise you’ll think the front-end of your radio is blown!

Chas - NK8O

Wednesday Evening 40 and 80 meter Nets - Wed, 01/30/2019 8:00pm-9:00pm #cal-reminder

main@4SQRP.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Reminder:
Wednesday Evening 40 and 80 meter Nets

When:
Wednesday, 30 January 2019
8:00pm to 9:00pm
(GMT-06:00) America/Chicago

Where:
40 and 80 Meters

Organizer:
jomatlock@...

Description:
The 40 Meter Net will be at 8:00 pm central time  on 7.122 +-. QRM
NCS will be Bill KV6Z.

Wednesday evening 80 Meter CW Net. will be at  (8:30PM Central Time Wednesday). 
The 80 meter net will be called on 3.564 MHz +/- QRM.
Net control operators are Johnny AC0BQ or Paul N0NBD.

* NEW *  Wednesday evening DMR Voice Net will be at (Thursday) 0300 UTC (9:00PM Central Time Wednesday/)
Four States QRP has a Brandmeister DMR Talk Group (TG31654). Join us to discuss QRP, ask questions, or just ragchew. The Wednesday net is a directed net  but any other time you may use the Talk Group to chat with other QRPers.
Net Control operator is Bert NØYJ.

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Re: RF Gain control

Lee
 

I've done this (throttling the RG gain) for years, and I also teach it to new general licensees who are starting out on low bands. With the low bands, sensitivity is usually not an issue; even a rig with the sensitivity of a drill sergeant will hear signals on 80 and 160. What you need is increased SNR, especially for the CW signals right at or above the noise level. Even a small increase in SNR will often let a signal pop out of the noise. This technique got me DXCC on 160m with a Windom and no separate receive antenna.

For rigs without a RF gain control, a switchable attenuator may be the trick, especially if you run separate transmit/receive................

73 es GL de Lee KX4TT



The idea is a good one and has been for decades. The one question I had was...what do we use with most of the current homebrew and direct conversion rigs that have no separate RF gain controls to allow us to do this magic?

Thank you.

Jim Pruitt
WA7DUY

On 1/29/2019 11:19 PM, Charles W. Powell via Groups.Io wrote:
Bill,

Having said all that, I discovered working last month that what “the
old timers” say about dealing with noise. We are all used to cranking
the AF gain to try to hear signals. That works fine on upper bands,
but on 60, 80, and 160, the adjustment should be primarily through the
RF gain. Why? Let me put it this way: If you have S9 noise and you
turn up the AF gain on the radio, the noise becomes overwhelming. You
know there is a signal that you can hear, but the noise is so loud,
you can’t listen for more than a few minutes before you want to throw
your headphones across the room. If you reduce the RF gain to where
the noise is at a tolerable level, then that signal is suddenly
audible at a reasonable level over the noise. You have optimized your
signal-to-noise ratio by reducing the noise in the mix. You might
ask, “Doesn’t this reduce the sensitivity of the receiver?” Well,
yes, it does. But if your noise is S-whatever, everything below that
level is useless to you. So why amplify the noise and increase your
level of fatigue? The only thing to remember is to turn the RF gain
back up when you change bands. Otherwise you’ll think the front-end
of your radio is blown!

Chas - NK8O