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locked #ADMIN Message Topics, Rules, Etc. #ADMIN

Tim N9PUZ
 

Perhaps a bit of explanation of our rules and guidelines is in order.

4SQRP operates this list to provide a place to discuss general QRP activities, 4SQRP specific activities such as Ozarkcon, Brutus Bash, etc. 4SQRP also uses it to support the kits produced and sold by the group. These kit sales help defray the cost of our events like Ozarkcon.

We generally do not allow discussion and support of other clubs or commercial vendor's products and kits. We feel it is better to get your support from those suppliers directly. That doesn't mean you cannot mention other products. If someone posts something along the line of "Hey, have you seen the new 4 band QRP rig from XYZ company? It looks like a great combination of features." that's perfectly okay, or "My wife and kids bought me an Elecraft KX3 for my birthday." is fine as well. However, if your shiny new KX3 has a problem, you should ask for support on the Elecraft list, not here.

The rules for the list are agreed on by the 4SQRP Board of Directors. In general, the Moderators have input to the rules but we don't just pluck them out of thin air. We do try to apply them equally to everyone. A great example, without naming names, is there was a thread started last year by one of the board members asking about a problem with another group's product. We deleted his post and reminded him of the rules just like any other user (He also received some good-natured ribbing for his infraction!)

We aren't attorneys. The rules are short in hopes that they'll be easy to follow. I'm sure they don't cover every conceivable situation, and we don't try. If we do delete a post we almost always tell the poster why privately. No one gets booted off the list for a first infraction. Our goal is to try and provide a friendly list that most everyone will find helpful.

Please don't be a lid. We're not vengeful; we can be provoked.

Tim N9PUZ, on behalf of the Moderators


moderated Re: My apologies

 

I had to make amends to the 4SQRP Group first, now I have let it go.  Fini.

Smiff, KA5NLY


moderated Re: My apologies

WA0ITP
 

Cmon Gene. Let it go. --


moderated Re: My apologies

 

Folks I blew it!!

I typed it first on 4SQRP then copy-pasted pasted in on QRP-ARCI, as I was on the 4SQRP site first this morning.
 
I will have to admit that in doing so I may have deleted it unknowingly on 4SQRP and didn't realize it wasn't there until some time later when I came back to the 4SQRP site.  The copy that I pasted on the QRP-ARCI groups.io site is there
 
Since the Moderators' log does not show it as having been deleted by them, then I had to have screwed up somehow, deleted it myself when doing the copy-paste, and thus I owe an apology to both the moderators and the group as a whole.
 
I don't know what I did, but it is now clear that I am the one who messed up on this missing thread posting.  Mea Culpa!
 
EuGene, KA5NLY


moderated Re: My apologies

 

Gosh, Ron, I copy pasted it first on 4SQRP then pasted in on QRP-ARCI, as I was on the 4SQRP site first.

I will have to admit that in doing so I may have deleted it unknowingly on 4SQRP and didn't realize it wasn't there until some time later when I came back to the 4SQRP site.

Since the Moderators' log does not show it as having been deleted by them, then I had to have screwed up somehow, and thus I owe an apology to both the moderators and the group as a whole.

I don't know what I did, but it is now clear that I am the one who messed up on this missing thread posting.  Mea Culpa!

EuGene


On Friday, January 1, 2021, 4:00:56 PM CST, AG1P Ron <ag1p@...> wrote:


Lee,

We are as tolerant as we can be. The member in question posted on another reflector, not ours, which is why he couldn’t find it here. IMHO we would have been happy to accommodate his posts on an old QST kit.

72 - Ron - AG1P

4SQRP Volunteer Co-Moderator

 

From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lee Bahr
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] My apologies

 

Personally I think if you can't on rare occasions deviate a tad on subject matter, then one should never give credit to 4SQRP on any other reflector.  That said, I don't really know what the official ruling is on all this.  I certainly don't mind a deviation from time to time.  But, I must admit, all the well wishers at Christmas time and New Years gets a little old.  If you want to do it, send them privately.  The message that bugs me is  "I agree!"  Anyway,  how about just being a little tolerant as things will calm down shortly.  Take  a breath and stay away from the keyboard.  Life is too short for petty annoyance to take your time!   (I've got to tell myself this all the time!)

Lee, w0vt 

On 1/1/2021 11:53 AM, bigusmith via groups.io wrote:

I didn't think I had done anything wrong when I sought information for something which was not a commercial product, but rather a QRP transmitter circuit published in QST 39 years ago.  True there was a circuit board that I had which was made by a company which no longer exists and I had a bunch of components which were made by companies which may or may not still exist.

Since it related to a non-commercial old-time QST project, I don't know what I did wrong to get my query deleted...I am hesitant to ask anything about QRP equipment unless it is something sold by 4SQRP, as I don't understand what I did wrong and am afraid to talk about any QRP circuit which is not for a 4SQRP product.

EuGene, KA5NLY


moderated Re: My apologies

 

I posted the same thing on both the QRPA-ARCI and 4SQRP sites

Smiff

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 3:18:33 PM CST, AG1P Ron <ag1p@...> wrote:


EuGene,

When I look through my emails, you posted that on the qrparci site, not 4sqrp.

 

72 - Ron - AG1P

4SQRP Volunteer Co-Moderator

 

From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of bigusmith via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 12:34 PM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] My apologies

 

Tim,

 

Hmmm? It was gone a while ago...I just now looked, and it is still gone...it was headed up with "Little Joe -Whatizzit?" and I don't find that anywhere on the site.  Something happened to it.

 

It doesn't matter now, as several 4SQRO members sent me copies of the QST project article or a schematic for a Little Joe.  One even gave me the call of AE5VM, the Little Joe expert/guru.

 

I know I can't discuss Non-4SQRP stuff which is in competition with the 4SQRP kits and wouldn't do so.  But, I don't see how asking for how to find info on the Little Joe was a violation.  All I needed was a schematic and preferably a copy of the 39 year old article on it.  The Little Joe was neither a commercial rig or kit, just an old QST project.

 

Heaven forbid if I should mention even older stuff, like a 1960's Tuna Tin, ask how a spark gap transmitter works.

 

EuGene

 

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 2:14:29 PM CST, Tim N9PUZ <main+owner@4sqrp.groups.io> wrote:

 

 

EuGene,

I do not see anything in the group's moderator actions log that looks like your message was deleted by an owner/moderator.

Tim N9PUZ
4SQRP List Co-Moderator


moderated Re: My apologies

AG1P Ron
 

Lee,

We are as tolerant as we can be. The member in question posted on another reflector, not ours, which is why he couldn’t find it here. IMHO we would have been happy to accommodate his posts on an old QST kit.

72 - Ron - AG1P

4SQRP Volunteer Co-Moderator

 

From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lee Bahr
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 1:49 PM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] My apologies

 

Personally I think if you can't on rare occasions deviate a tad on subject matter, then one should never give credit to 4SQRP on any other reflector.  That said, I don't really know what the official ruling is on all this.  I certainly don't mind a deviation from time to time.  But, I must admit, all the well wishers at Christmas time and New Years gets a little old.  If you want to do it, send them privately.  The message that bugs me is  "I agree!"  Anyway,  how about just being a little tolerant as things will calm down shortly.  Take  a breath and stay away from the keyboard.  Life is too short for petty annoyance to take your time!   (I've got to tell myself this all the time!)

Lee, w0vt 

On 1/1/2021 11:53 AM, bigusmith via groups.io wrote:

I didn't think I had done anything wrong when I sought information for something which was not a commercial product, but rather a QRP transmitter circuit published in QST 39 years ago.  True there was a circuit board that I had which was made by a company which no longer exists and I had a bunch of components which were made by companies which may or may not still exist.

Since it related to a non-commercial old-time QST project, I don't know what I did wrong to get my query deleted...I am hesitant to ask anything about QRP equipment unless it is something sold by 4SQRP, as I don't understand what I did wrong and am afraid to talk about any QRP circuit which is not for a 4SQRP product.

EuGene, KA5NLY


moderated Re: My apologies

Frank Perkins <N6CES.r@...>
 

EuGene, ask anyway!
If it is against the "rules", somebody in the know will politely tell you.
If not, and it offends someone, don't worry, they'll get over it!
Life is too short.
Frank N6CES

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, 9:53 AM bigusmith via groups.io <bigusmith=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I didn't think I had done anything wrong when I sought information for something which was not a commercial product, but rather a QRP transmitter circuit published in QST 39 years ago.  True there was a circuit board that I had which was made by a company which no longer exists and I had a bunch of components which were made by companies which may or may not still exist.

Since it related to a non-commercial old-time QST project, I don't know what I did wrong to get my query deleted...I am hesitant to ask anything about QRP equipment unless it is something sold by 4SQRP, as I don't understand what I did wrong and am afraid to talk about any QRP circuit which is not for a 4SQRP product.

EuGene, KA5NLY


moderated Re: My apologies

John - KK4ITX
 

All, Ron is correct, the request for info was on grparci.  My TRASH folder is on emptied by Yahoo once or twice a month..... maybe once a week.  Here’s a screenshot of the email.    John, KK4ITX 

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On Jan 1, 2021, at 16:18, AG1P Ron <ag1p@...> wrote:

EuGene,

When I look through my emails, you posted that on the qrparci site, not 4sqrp.

 

72 - Ron - AG1P

4SQRP Volunteer Co-Moderator

 

From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of bigusmith via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 12:34 PM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] My apologies

 

Tim,

 

Hmmm? It was gone a while ago...I just now looked, and it is still gone...it was headed up with "Little Joe -Whatizzit?" and I don't find that anywhere on the site.  Something happened to it.

 

It doesn't matter now, as several 4SQRO members sent me copies of the QST project article or a schematic for a Little Joe.  One even gave me the call of AE5VM, the Little Joe expert/guru.

 

I know I can't discuss Non-4SQRP stuff which is in competition with the 4SQRP kits and wouldn't do so.  But, I don't see how asking for how to find info on the Little Joe was a violation.  All I needed was a schematic and preferably a copy of the 39 year old article on it.  The Little Joe was neither a commercial rig or kit, just an old QST project.

 

Heaven forbid if I should mention even older stuff, like a 1960's Tuna Tin, ask how a spark gap transmitter works.

 

EuGene

 

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 2:14:29 PM CST, Tim N9PUZ <main+owner@4sqrp.groups.io> wrote:

 

 

EuGene,

I do not see anything in the group's moderator actions log that looks like your message was deleted by an owner/moderator.

Tim N9PUZ
4SQRP List Co-Moderator


moderated Re: My apologies

Lee Bahr
 

Personally I think if you can't on rare occasions deviate a tad on subject matter, then one should never give credit to 4SQRP on any other reflector.  That said, I don't really know what the official ruling is on all this.  I certainly don't mind a deviation from time to time.  But, I must admit, all the well wishers at Christmas time and New Years gets a little old.  If you want to do it, send them privately.  The message that bugs me is  "I agree!"  Anyway,  how about just being a little tolerant as things will calm down shortly.  Take  a breath and stay away from the keyboard.  Life is too short for petty annoyance to take your time!   (I've got to tell myself this all the time!)

Lee, w0vt 

On 1/1/2021 11:53 AM, bigusmith via groups.io wrote:
I didn't think I had done anything wrong when I sought information for something which was not a commercial product, but rather a QRP transmitter circuit published in QST 39 years ago.  True there was a circuit board that I had which was made by a company which no longer exists and I had a bunch of components which were made by companies which may or may not still exist.

Since it related to a non-commercial old-time QST project, I don't know what I did wrong to get my query deleted...I am hesitant to ask anything about QRP equipment unless it is something sold by 4SQRP, as I don't understand what I did wrong and am afraid to talk about any QRP circuit which is not for a 4SQRP product.

EuGene, KA5NLY


moderated Re: My apologies

AG1P Ron
 

EuGene,

When I look through my emails, you posted that on the qrparci site, not 4sqrp.

 

72 - Ron - AG1P

4SQRP Volunteer Co-Moderator

 

From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of bigusmith via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 12:34 PM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] My apologies

 

Tim,

 

Hmmm? It was gone a while ago...I just now looked, and it is still gone...it was headed up with "Little Joe -Whatizzit?" and I don't find that anywhere on the site.  Something happened to it.

 

It doesn't matter now, as several 4SQRO members sent me copies of the QST project article or a schematic for a Little Joe.  One even gave me the call of AE5VM, the Little Joe expert/guru.

 

I know I can't discuss Non-4SQRP stuff which is in competition with the 4SQRP kits and wouldn't do so.  But, I don't see how asking for how to find info on the Little Joe was a violation.  All I needed was a schematic and preferably a copy of the 39 year old article on it.  The Little Joe was neither a commercial rig or kit, just an old QST project.

 

Heaven forbid if I should mention even older stuff, like a 1960's Tuna Tin, ask how a spark gap transmitter works.

 

EuGene

 

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 2:14:29 PM CST, Tim N9PUZ <main+owner@4sqrp.groups.io> wrote:

 

 

EuGene,

I do not see anything in the group's moderator actions log that looks like your message was deleted by an owner/moderator.

Tim N9PUZ
4SQRP List Co-Moderator


Re: 30 Meter Cricket

Darryl K4VLP
 

Ron,
Have you checked with Rich Kennedy at expandedspectrumsystems.com? I’ve bought 10.106, 10.110, 10.116, 10.125, and 10.140 crystals from him for my Cricket30, and I believe he may be able to supply the reasonable quantities you need for the kits.
72/73 de Darryl K4VLP 


moderated Re: My apologies

Dennis Schaefer
 

Yes, this is something I have wondered about. I read the group rules and was glad I did because I had once considered posting a couple of “non-4SQRP” QRP rigs for sale. I have never been closely involved with the group but did attend one Branson meeting and have enjoyed the discussions. I am glad I read the rules because I’m sure I would have had my hands slapped for the for sale items. I guess the problem is that by not being closely involved, I didn’t realize that 4SQRP is not really a club. I used to think of it as the QRP club for this region, which had a core of members who made kits. Now, I think either I misunderstood, or things have changed. I understand that the kits are a public service and no one is making a living off of them, I just didn’t realize the focus of the group had become so rigid.

I have bought a few 4SQRP rigs, and will certainly limit any future posts to those rigs or specific 4SQRP activities if I stay in the group. I sure wish there was a regional QRP group where we could discuss general QRP subjects with people in the same geographical area, and possibly occasionally sell an item to known people without resorting to eBay or QRZ.com, etc.

73,
Dennis, W5RZ


moderated Re: My apologies

 

Tim,

Hmmm? It was gone a while ago...I just now looked, and it is still gone...it was headed up with "Little Joe -Whatizzit?" and I don't find that anywhere on the site.  Something happened to it.

It doesn't matter now, as several 4SQRO members sent me copies of the QST project article or a schematic for a Little Joe.  One even gave me the call of AE5VM, the Little Joe expert/guru.

I know I can't discuss Non-4SQRP stuff which is in competition with the 4SQRP kits and wouldn't do so.  But, I don't see how asking for how to find info on the Little Joe was a violation.  All I needed was a schematic and preferably a copy of the 39 year old article on it.  The Little Joe was neither a commercial rig or kit, just an old QST project.

Heaven forbid if I should mention even older stuff, like a 1960's Tuna Tin, ask how a spark gap transmitter works.

EuGene

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 2:14:29 PM CST, Tim N9PUZ <main+owner@4sqrp.groups.io> wrote:


EuGene,

I do not see anything in the group's moderator actions log that looks like your message was deleted by an owner/moderator.

Tim N9PUZ
4SQRP List Co-Moderator


moderated Re: My apologies

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Hello Eugene, Tim
I don’t find any trace of it either.

I going to say it was a accident or a plain old mistake?

All I can say is that we’re sorry it happened.

You are welcome to post old time projects from QST as far as I know.
It sounds like QRP and or radio to me.

72
Johnny ACØBQ 

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 2:14 PM Tim N9PUZ <main+owner@4sqrp.groups.io> wrote:
EuGene,

I do not see anything in the group's moderator actions log that looks like your message was deleted by an owner/moderator.

Tim N9PUZ
4SQRP List Co-Moderator

--
Check out the 4SQRP website at 4sqrp.com


Re: Knobs and more

Tim N9PUZ
 

This outfit is good to deal with. I have refurbed some guitar amps in the past and they are a good source of knobs, some tubes, and related parts.

Tim N9PUZ


moderated Re: My apologies

Tim N9PUZ
 

EuGene,

I do not see anything in the group's moderator actions log that looks like your message was deleted by an owner/moderator.

Tim N9PUZ
4SQRP List Co-Moderator


moderated Re: My apologies

 

Oh well, as us Arkie hillbillies say, "C'est la guerre, c'est l'amour, c'est la vie, c'est la moderateur."  (Ain't that what we usually say, Ma?)

Smiff


Re: 30 Meter Cricket

AG1P Ron
 

GM EuGene,

 

On our last run it took us over a year to procure one of the crystals and we incurred additional expense shipping them out to those who purchased the kits.  If memory serves me, to continue with the kit, we had to order either 1K or 5K of the crystals from the vendor and we felt selling that many kits was way out of reach.  Once the dust settles from efforts on forthcoming new kits, we can check and see if the crystal problem has resolved itself. If it hasn’t, the 4SQRP Kit Manager will have to decide whether to retire the kit.

 

72 - Ron - AG1P

4SQRP Volunteer Cricket 30 Cricketmaster

4SQRP Volunteer Webmaster

 

 

From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of bigusmith via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 11:41 AM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: [4SQRP] 30 Meter Cricket

 

Any idea when the 30 meter Cricket may again be available?  Is there a list where a potential buyer can commit to buy one when they come back?

EuGene, KA5NLY


moderated Re: My apologies

n4mj
 

Laugh with me. LOL or HI HI  Reading two comments about things not allowed on this thread.  Dale, as I recall, you got 'flamed' for mentioning Cheyenne Days last year.  So, without a doubt comments need to be about 4SQRP or their kits/equipment.  

I was mildly irritated by a  couple of unnecessary comments about Christmas wishes on here.  After a couple of days the moderator(s) came out with a bureaucratic comment about that one.

Well, it is 'their' thread.

73 de n4mj


 
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On Friday, January 1, 2021, 01:51:10 PM CST, Dale Putnam <daleputnam@...> wrote:


Might also want to be cautious about mentioning a popular vacation destination too.. 
that is also apparently forbidden, even tho there is a lot of 4S members that travel to it,
and while at that particular destination operate their QRP rigs from 4SQRP.


Have a great day,

Dale - WC7S in Wy

"Actions speak louder than words"


From: main@4SQRP.groups.io <main@4SQRP.groups.io> on behalf of bigusmith via groups.io <bigusmith@...>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 12:36 PM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io <main@4SQRP.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] My apologies
 
For the life of me I don't know what I did or said that was wrong, but the thread about that old QST project got removed, so I must have stepped one some toes.  In a most innocent manner I was just trying to get some information about it, if it would still be usable under current FCC standards, and was it worth building.  I didn't even have a circuit for it and didn't have a copy of the 39 year old QST that had the project in it.

Anyhoo, even though it was not a commercial kit by some other source, not 4SQRP, it still cannot be mentioned on here.  Please don't ask me any questions about my station, because I have some non-4SQRP rigs and cannot name them on here.

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