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Re: RMR Net 14.0625 2200z
Dale-
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Nothing heard up here in western Montana. Wendell N7WM
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Re: IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan
Scotty Long <nu0s@...>
Yes I agree I hope to get more solder time on the K1 tonight... hard to balance building and operating.
Scotty/NU0S
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Michael McShan wrote: I think it is important to focus on those who will actually be involved in the decision making: the FCC, ARRL, and IARU. Whether you like the President or not, he will probably not weigh in on this issue one way or another. And, on a more QRP note, I just received an HB-1B from Ten Tec to play with… maybe I'll get a chance tonight.
72,
Mike N5JKY
Oklahoma City
On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Adrian Flynn <adrianjamesflynn@...> wrote:
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Re: IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan
Michael McShan <n5jky@...>
I think it is important to focus on those who will actually be involved in the decision making: the FCC, ARRL, and IARU. Whether you like the President or not, he will probably not weigh in on this issue one way or another.
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And, on a more QRP note, I just received an HB-1B from Ten Tec to play with… maybe I'll get a chance tonight. 72, Mike N5JKY Oklahoma City
On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Adrian Flynn <adrianjamesflynn@...> wrote:
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Re: IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan
Scotty Long <nu0s@...>
Sorry don't want to go political in any way that was not my intention. I just hope for positive output from our input...HI...
73/Scotty/NU0S
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Adrian Flynn Mean you don't trust that DICTATOR obama? Why not!
Adrian KF7DYU
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Scotty Long
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Re: IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan
Mean you don't trust that DICTATOR obama? Why not! Adrian KF7DYU
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Scotty Long <nu0s@...> wrote:
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RMR Net 14.0625 2200z
Dale Putnam
> > We'll gather up this afternoon, to check on the progress of Spring... or not. Come drop by, say hi, and tell us what's happening with your antenna plans... > I will match your speed, so check in with what you feel good with.If your are too fast for me... I'll ask you to pse qrs... IF I am too fast for you... you please ask me to QRS... This is a practice cw net, so don't worry so much about protocol, I only use a couple Q signals...QNI.... to ask for checkins... QRS.. to slow down.... but not the net protocol Q signals... we're not that stiff.... Just drop by and have a chat. oh.. and it is a qrp net... but ... if the band conditions are really poor... I may crank it up a bit... especially while myantenna is on the ground. > > Have a great day, > > > --... ...-- > Dale - WC7S in Wy > > > >
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Re: IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan (W/O HTML Coding)
* On 2013 19 Feb 10:29 -0600, Chuck Carpenter wrote:
Cleaned up the message a little to help readabiltiy...Thanks, Chuck. At 07:18 AM 2/19/2013, you wrote:I don't see the need for alarm as SSB is already quite prevalent aboveTheARRL is seeking input to proposed band plan changes in the upcoming IARU 7040 kHz and has been for years. Most of it that we hear on 40m comes from this hemisphere and we've learned to deal with it. In my humble opinion, it is well past time that we in the US drop this Incentive Licensing based band regulations. We are not in harmony with the way the rest of the world uses the bands any more. Shoot! we here in the US do not use about 35 to 40 kHz of prime 20m spectrum due to our assinine band regulations that no one sees fit to change! I really do think that the artificial limits on phone operation and digital operations do not serve us well today and have outlived their usefulness. I know a lot of people won't like my opinion. But it's past time that we, the operators on the air, should determine how best to accomodate our operations and not arbitrary regulations. Somehow we all seem to coexist on 160m which should be a model for the rest of our bands. 72, de Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
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Re: IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan
* On 2013 19 Feb 07:19 -0600, KU4GW Cliff wrote:
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="4">TheCould we please utilize Plain Text for messages to this list? Not all of us use graphical mail programs (not having used one for well over a decade, I see no reason to go back) nor do we read the messages exclusively through the Web interface. Thank you. 72, de Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
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Re: IARU Bandplan Comments to ARRL
Don Jackson
On 02/19/2013 09:45 AM, WA0ITP wrote:
Hi Terry and the rest following this, First off, Terry, be very careful in quoting the FCC rule on minimum power as it can (and has been) interpreted two ways (by QRO ops) and used against us. � 97.313 Transmitter power standards. (a) An amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications. So if you are running 5 watts on CW and the receiving station cannot quite hear you, this rule REQUIRES you to "up" your power. It REQUIRES you "must use minimum power necessary", so if you are using too little (less than "minimum"), you are in violation of 97.313(a). Before everyone jumps on me for this, I agree that it was not the intent, but the way it is worded, well, what can I say? And if you don't get it, I'm saying the above with tongue in cheek. Also before many on this list get up tight about this proposal, remember that the IARU is a volunteer organization, non-governmental, that is a cooperative between hams in 3 different areas of the world. As has been pointed out, some countries (for example, Panama) has no federal regulations as to use of modes in ham bands, i.e., no provision for phone bands, cw, etc. In our country, the FCC rules restrict us, but NOT the band plans do not. There has been only one instance that I am aware of where the FCC has used our voluntary band plan in an enforcement procedure, and that involved deliberate interference. I am NOT at all defending the proposed band plan under consideration. However, I don't see it much different than practice today. Note the use of the words "ALL MODES" on 40 meters below 7125. Maybe I'm wrong, but I interpret that as accepting CW as legitimate on any frequency below 7125. And in case you didn't think about it, CW is not the only QRP mode! I ran less than 5 watts on PSK31 for years, including on our 80 meter Wednesday night net. I am also in agreement with you Terry on the FCC actions (NOT band plans) expanding the phone bands over the years. It was not band plans or the IARU that caused this -- it was the vocal majority of hams who operate phone QRO and give ham radio a bad rap especially on 75 meters. One thing all of us should remember, this is just a proposal, subject to change. However, if you don't like it, you are wasting your bits and bytes just saying "I don't like it" and the reason why. To be effective in your comments submitted you need to tell them what you would change and how it should be changed. The comment period is not a poll or vote, but a chance to shape the proposal the way you'd like it. Nice idea about QRP "window" and comparing with DX window. But where would you propose it be put? That's important to a committee to have something more concrete, that way they can concentrate of where to put this window rather than to have one in the plan. As one of the guys on the QRP-L list says, "back in my hole"... 73, Don AE5K
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Re: Battery Day!
jonwells88
Steve,
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There's a very interesting museum dedicated to Volta in Como, Italy - on the shore of the lake. You can see many of the materials he used in his experiments and information about his life. Since there aren't many visitors to this museum, the staff have plenty of time to answer questions and are very helpful. I posted a few photos in the Group photos section. Jon, K6DAT
--- In 4sqrp@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <wa0pwk@...> wrote:
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IARU Bandplan Comments to ARRL
WA0ITP
I responded earlier this morning after seeing a note on the Flying Pigs
reflector. My comments are here http://www.wa0itp.com/IARU%20Bandplan%20Comments%20to%20ARRL.rtf pse feel free to use any of them in your response. If we dont speak up, 40M will look like 80M, i.e. almost no room for CW. ---------------------------------- I love this radio stuff ! 72 WA�ITP www.wa0itp.com www.4sqrp.com www.qrpspots.com
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Re: IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan
Scotty Long <nu0s@...>
Insert (Organization, entity) what ever works HI...
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Don AE5K wrote: What government? No government involved on this.
On 02/19/2013 09:23 AM, Scotty Long wrote:
> > I put my two cents in for what it's worth in a brief e mail. I have > lost faith in the government doing the right thing. > > Scotty/NU0S > > /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ > > > Don AE5K donj@...> wrote: > > On 02/19/2013 07:18 AM, KU4GW Cliff wrote: > > > > The > > ARRL is seeking input to proposed band plan changes in the upcoming IARU > > convention in Mexico. Everyone needs to read the proposed changes, and > > voice any support or opposition as you see fit. The proposals can be > > seen here: > > http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-band-plan\ > http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-band-plan>> > http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-band-planhttp://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-ban\ > http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-ban>> d-plan > > > http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-band-plan>color="#000000">ITU > > > Region > > 2 hams, especially CW and digital mode operators better be for > > submitting any comments quickly to oppose putting our 40 meter bandplan > > in step with either ITU region 1 or 3! There is a March 1st deadline for > > submitting comments! I have already submitted mine in opposition. Submit > > them ASAP to bandplan2013@... > > Other member nations of ITU Region 2 > > can get the contact info for their ITU go to person at > > > http://www.iaru-r2.org/directory/">color="#9136ad">size="4">http://www.iaru-r2.org/directory/ > > a>face="Arial, sans-serif">There is one change that > > concerns me deeply. Currently, 40M narrow band modes are used from 7,000 > > KHz to 7,125 KHz. The proposal is to cut this down to a 40 KHz section > > from 7,000 KHz to 7,040 KHz. Please get involved by voicing your > > opinion! Please share this information with all your amateur radio > > friends ASAP! Very 73 de KU4GW > > > > > > Hi Cliff, > > Just what are your reasons for objection to the proposed band plan? > > Don AE5K > >
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Re: IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan
Don Jackson
What government? No government involved on this.
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On 02/19/2013 09:23 AM, Scotty Long wrote:
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Re: IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan
Scotty Long <nu0s@...>
I put my two cents in for what it's worth in a brief e mail. I have lost faith in the government doing the right thing.
Scotty/NU0S
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Don AE5K wrote:
On 02/19/2013 07:18 AM, KU4GW Cliff wrote:
> > The > ARRL is seeking input to proposed band plan changes in the upcoming IARU > convention in Mexico. Everyone needs to read the proposed changes, and > voice any support or opposition as you see fit. The proposals can be > seen here: > http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-band-plan\ > http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-band-planhttp://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-ban\ > d-plan > http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-band-plan>color="#000000">ITU > Region > 2 hams, especially CW and digital mode operators better be for > submitting any comments quickly to oppose putting our 40 meter bandplan > in step with either ITU region 1 or 3! There is a March 1st deadline for > submitting comments! I have already submitted mine in opposition. Submit > them ASAP to bandplan2013@... > Other member nations of ITU Region 2 > can get the contact info for their ITU go to person at > http://www.iaru-r2.org/directory/">color="#9136ad">size="4">http://www.iaru-r2.org/directory/ > a>face="Arial, sans-serif">There is one change that > concerns me deeply. Currently, 40M narrow band modes are used from 7,000 > KHz to 7,125 KHz. The proposal is to cut this down to a 40 KHz section > from 7,000 KHz to 7,040 KHz. Please get involved by voicing your > opinion! Please share this information with all your amateur radio > friends ASAP! Very 73 de KU4GW > > Hi Cliff, Just what are your reasons for objection to the proposed band plan? Don AE5K
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Re: IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan
Don Jackson
On 02/19/2013 07:18 AM, KU4GW Cliff wrote:
Hi Cliff, Just what are your reasons for objection to the proposed band plan? Don AE5K
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IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan (W/O HTML Coding)
Cleaned up the message a little to help readabiltiy...
At 07:18 AM 2/19/2013, you wrote: TheARRL is seeking input to proposed band plan changes in the upcoming IARU "http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-band-plan\;" ITU Region2 hams, especially CW and digital mode operators better be for "http://www.iaru-r2.org/directory/" There is one change that concerns me deeply. Currently, 40M narrow band modes are used from 7,000 Chuck Carpenter, W5USJ EM22cv, Rains Co. TX
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IARU Region 2 Seeks Input on HF Band Plan
<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="4">The
ARRL is seeking input to proposed band plan changes in the upcoming IARU convention in Mexico. Everyone needs to read the proposed changes, and voice any support or opposition as you see fit. The proposals can be seen here: </font></font></font><a href="http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-band-plan\; "><font color="#9136ad"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="4"><u>http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-2-seeks-input-on-hf-ban\; d-plan</u></font></font></font></a><font color="#000000"> </font><font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="4">ITU Region 2 hams, especially CW and digital mode operators better be for submitting any comments quickly to oppose putting our 40 meter bandplan in step with either ITU region 1 or 3! There is a March 1st deadline for submitting comments! I have already submitted mine in opposition. Submit them ASAP to bandplan2013@arrl.org Other member nations of ITU Region 2 can get the contact info for their ITU go to person at </font></font></font><a href="http://www.iaru-r2.org/directory/"><font color="#9136ad"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="4"><u>http://www.iaru-r2.org/directory/</u></font></font></font></\ a><font color="#000000"> </font><font color="#000000"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font size="4">There is one change that concerns me deeply. Currently, 40M narrow band modes are used from 7,000 KHz to 7,125 KHz. The proposal is to cut this down to a 40 KHz section from 7,000 KHz to 7,040 KHz. Please get involved by voicing your opinion! Please share this information with all your amateur radio friends ASAP! Very 73 de KU4GW</font></font></font>
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Re: Group and my email
davidgeorgerichards
Thanks for all the work Don. I rarely post here, but do enjoy reading the posts to this group. I guess you could categorize me as "dormant wood" instead of "dead wood" :-)
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Dave AA7EE
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Re: Group and my email
Dale Putnam
TIme for a long deep sigh... and a little longer time for a soft seat, ... and a bit longer yet for a stiff drink. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy To: 4sqrp@... From: donj@... Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:41:57 -0600 Subject: [4sqrp] Group and my email
Hi all...
A good share of the old reflector has migrated here, still a few more every day now. Some decided that they disliked Yahoo so much as to not join us and that is their decision -- sorry to not have them here. I'm sure that we culled out a lot of dead wood in this process too -- some were not even receiving email messages from the reflector (had their mail delivery turned off), a few had duplicate addresses no longer needed, and some didn't have enough interest to migrate. Before I forget it, if anyone tried sending me email the past two days (up to near noon CST today), in changing web hosts, they managed to screw up my email routing and I lost all for a day or so. If you expected a reply but didn't get it, please resend. It has been a very busy and tiring past few days for the whole changeover, but everything seems to be working now on 4 reflectors and my email accounts. Time to relax a few minutes. Don AE5K
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Group and my email
Don Jackson
Hi all...
A good share of the old reflector has migrated here, still a few more every day now. Some decided that they disliked Yahoo so much as to not join us and that is their decision -- sorry to not have them here. I'm sure that we culled out a lot of dead wood in this process too -- some were not even receiving email messages from the reflector (had their mail delivery turned off), a few had duplicate addresses no longer needed, and some didn't have enough interest to migrate. Before I forget it, if anyone tried sending me email the past two days (up to near noon CST today), in changing web hosts, they managed to screw up my email routing and I lost all for a day or so. If you expected a reply but didn't get it, please resend. It has been a very busy and tiring past few days for the whole changeover, but everything seems to be working now on 4 reflectors and my email accounts. Time to relax a few minutes. Don AE5K
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