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Re: SIMPLEST AND CHEAPEST KEYER?

Wayne Dillon
 

Hi Unc,
Well I gotta vote for the ones I've used so...
the 4sqrp ez keyer, like it a lot, then (equal first) is K1EL's K12 and it's most recent incarnation the K14 (I have both of them). K1EL's keyers have all the facilities you could need, but, if you don't need 'em just operate it at a basic keyer, it does just fine.
There ya go, my $0.02 worth.
God Bless de Wayne - KC0PMH


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Phil Anderson <aldenmcduffie@...> wrote:
 

Hey Youall,

What good keyer models are out there that are reasonable $ value; can be kit or done,
which allows the op to adjust code speed with a pot, perhaps weight too and
sidetone volume and tone.......

Why? I've found one feature of my digital FT450D that I do not like.....likely in many
other digital (that is memory and menu....) rigs rather than the old friendly
analog knobs and pots for such things!

It's hard to adjust code speed while in a QSO since the memory and setting
for cw speed and any other cw parms has to be entered in with a number of
key strokes....ugh!!!!!!! Wishing for the ole days....

Unc Phil. By the way, who has that first RX of mine now? T'was 1953, age 13.
It was a Collins RX1?; can't remember the name of the RX rig right now but its sound was sweet!
It was loaned to me from my Elmer, W0AR, Lee of KCDX and LoudenBoomer amp fame,

Unc Phil, W0XI, Lawrence (which is near Lebo or Columbus, KS :) )




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Jesus came to pay a debt He didn't owe because we owe a debt we cannot pay...

The Lord bless you and keep you
The Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you
The Lord lift up his contenance upon you and give you peace.

God Bless from Wayne Dillon - KC0PMH

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2 Cor 5:17
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Re: SIMPLEST AND CHEAPEST KEYER?

Chuck Carpenter
 

I agree with Tom on the Jackson Harbor Keyer chips and kits.

I've used most of them starting with the PK-3 and now use the PK-4 in two keyers, home station and protable versions.

The NorCal chip is a nice basic Keyer

http://wb9kzy.com/norcal.htm

There was also the OzarkCon version of the NorCal with a feature variation but I don't see it listed now.




Both have pot speed control.


Re: SIMPLEST AND CHEAPEST KEYER?

Tom Sevart
 

On 12/19/2013 17:42, Phil Anderson wrote:
Hey Youall,

What good keyer models are out there that are reasonable $ value; can be
kit or done,
which allows the op to adjust code speed with a pot, perhaps weight too and
sidetone volume and tone.......
I personally like the PK-4 keyer chip from Jackson Harbor Press. It's the keyer chip which has the exact same pinout as the old Norcal keyer chip.

http://wb9kzy.com/pk4ssr.htm

I have just bought the chips in the past and used parts from my junk box to make a complete keyer board, and since the chip is just an 8 pin IC you can build it on a board small enough to fit into just about any QRP radio. It has the speed setting using the paddles and memory button, but you can also hook up a pot to have instant speed control.

If you don't want to roll your own, complete kits are available.

--
Tom Sevart N2UHC
St. Paul, KS


Re: 40M Morning Net

w2sh@...
 

Chuck, I am rarely QRV during daylight hours and after the sun has been up for close to an hour the three lowest HF bands (ex 60m) where I usually operate with 5W get very noisy and with a shorter skip distance.

You note your 40m activity occurring at 1200 UTC, or 0600 CT, yet your sunrise today was at 0721 CT.

On 10 April 2014 your sunrise will be at at 1200 UTC and that will be 0700 CDT.

Or am I confused?

Charles, W2SH



To: 4sqrp@...; w2sh@...; 4sqrp@...
From: w5usj@...
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:56:27 -0600
Subject: RE: [4sqrp] 40M Morning Net

 
Charles,

I'm not sure I understand what you meant by the comment below?

At 09:48 AM 12/19/2013, Charles Moizeau wrote:
>Moreover, with now-increasing daylight early morning QSOs on 1,000
>mile or further circuits won't be possible on 40m.

For several years, since I discovered them, I've checked into the
1200 UTC daily Water Way CW net on 7047 (used to be 7050). Although
there are those bad propagation days, most of the time I have no
problem from here in NE TX with stations all along the east coast
from Maine to Key West. Some of the close in stations are more often
hard to copy than those farther out.

Also there is one station on the island of Roatan off the coast of
Honduras who checks in regularly.

So, I'm confused?

Chuck Carpenter, W5USJ
EM22cv, Rains Co. TX



Re: SIMPLEST AND CHEAPEST KEYER?

George H. Gates
 

The Picokeyer is great. I have built about 20 of them. Like to add one to every QRP kit I build. I have a stand alone one just in case I need it. Has pot to adjust speed. You can change speed while sending. 72 Geo/W2BPI
 

In a message dated 12/19/2013 18:42:52 Eastern Standard Time, aldenmcduffie@... writes:
 

Hey Youall,

What good keyer models are out there that are reasonable $ value; can be kit or done,
which allows the op to adjust code speed with a pot, perhaps weight too and
sidetone volume and tone.......

Why? I've found one feature of my digital FT450D that I do not like.....likely in many
other digital (that is memory and menu....) rigs rather than the old friendly
analog knobs and pots for such things!

It's hard to adjust code speed while in a QSO since the memory and setting
for cw speed and any other cw parms has to be entered in with a number of
key strokes....ugh!!!!!!! Wishing for the ole days....

Unc Phil. By the way, who has that first RX of mine now? T'was 1953, age 13.
It was a Collins RX1?; can't remember the name of the RX rig right now but its sound was sweet!
It was loaned to me from my Elmer, W0AR, Lee of KCDX and LoudenBoomer amp fame,

Unc Phil, W0XI, Lawrence (which is near Lebo or Columbus, KS :) )


Re: SIMPLEST AND CHEAPEST KEYER?

Rick Bennett
 

Phil, I agree that these modern rigs (aka from the "big 3") are not CW friendly. The only current, full featured rig I have seen that does it right is the Elecraft K3.

My favorite keyer is the old Norcal keyer and a similar version was put together by 4SQRP quite a few years ago.

I think the PICOKEYER is probably very similar, possibly an improvement on that design. Another one I have heard good things about is the K1EL keyers, the latest is the K14:

http://k1el.tripod.com/K14.html


de KC0PET, Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim McDonough N9PUZ" <tim.n9puz@gmail.com>
To: 4sqrp@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Anderson" <aldenmcduffie@sunflower.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:54:04 PM
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] SIMPLEST AND CHEAPEST KEYER?

One of my favorite external or "build it in" keyers is the Pico-Keyer
Plus from Hamgadgets. <http://www.hamgadgets.com/PICOKEYER-PLUS> I have
always received great service and support from Dale.

Tim N9PUZ

On 12/19/2013 5:42 PM, Phil Anderson wrote:
Hey Youall,

What good keyer models are out there that are reasonable $ value; can be
kit or done,
which allows the op to adjust code speed with a pot, perhaps weight too and
sidetone volume and tone.......

Why? I've found one feature of my digital FT450D that I do not
like.....likely in many
other digital (that is memory and menu....) rigs rather than the old
friendly
analog knobs and pots for such things!

It's hard to adjust code speed while in a QSO since the memory and setting
for cw speed and any other cw parms has to be entered in with a number of
key strokes....ugh!!!!!!! Wishing for the ole days....

Unc Phil. By the way, who has that first RX of mine now? T'was 1953, age
13.
It was a Collins RX1?; can't remember the name of the RX rig right now
but its sound was sweet!
It was loaned to me from my Elmer, W0AR, Lee of KCDX and LoudenBoomer
amp fame,

Unc Phil, W0XI, Lawrence (which is near Lebo or Columbus, KS :) )


------------------------------------

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Re: SIMPLEST AND CHEAPEST KEYER?

Tim N9PUZ
 

One of my favorite external or "build it in" keyers is the Pico-Keyer Plus from Hamgadgets. <http://www.hamgadgets.com/PICOKEYER-PLUS> I have always received great service and support from Dale.

Tim N9PUZ

On 12/19/2013 5:42 PM, Phil Anderson wrote:
Hey Youall,

What good keyer models are out there that are reasonable $ value; can be
kit or done,
which allows the op to adjust code speed with a pot, perhaps weight too and
sidetone volume and tone.......

Why? I've found one feature of my digital FT450D that I do not
like.....likely in many
other digital (that is memory and menu....) rigs rather than the old
friendly
analog knobs and pots for such things!

It's hard to adjust code speed while in a QSO since the memory and setting
for cw speed and any other cw parms has to be entered in with a number of
key strokes....ugh!!!!!!! Wishing for the ole days....

Unc Phil. By the way, who has that first RX of mine now? T'was 1953, age
13.
It was a Collins RX1?; can't remember the name of the RX rig right now
but its sound was sweet!
It was loaned to me from my Elmer, W0AR, Lee of KCDX and LoudenBoomer
amp fame,

Unc Phil, W0XI, Lawrence (which is near Lebo or Columbus, KS :) )


SIMPLEST AND CHEAPEST KEYER?

Phil Anderson
 

Hey Youall,

What good keyer models are out there that are reasonable $ value; can be kit or done,
which allows the op to adjust code speed with a pot, perhaps weight too and
sidetone volume and tone.......

Why? I've found one feature of my digital FT450D that I do not like.....likely in many
other digital (that is memory and menu....) rigs rather than the old friendly
analog knobs and pots for such things!

It's hard to adjust code speed while in a QSO since the memory and setting
for cw speed and any other cw parms has to be entered in with a number of
key strokes....ugh!!!!!!! Wishing for the ole days....

Unc Phil. By the way, who has that first RX of mine now? T'was 1953, age 13.
It was a Collins RX1?; can't remember the name of the RX rig right now but its sound was sweet!
It was loaned to me from my Elmer, W0AR, Lee of KCDX and LoudenBoomer amp fame,

Unc Phil, W0XI, Lawrence (which is near Lebo or Columbus, KS :) )


Re: Minimum Box Size at the PO

Phil Anderson
 

Hello Guys. I send out about ten boxes per day at the Xtal Set Society.
I use four standard sizes and then ad-hoc from there. The smallest
is 6 x 4 x 3, which is ULINE's box # S-4682. You can order 25 paks of these
boxes on line from ULINE and they deliver quickly!

As per George, Pat (my xyl and N0GZZ, sizes the label to fit the box and have never
had one refused. I particularly like the service in that we can
pay the postage ahead of time and fill in the INTERNATIONAL information,
of needed  - then simply drop off the boxes at the local post
office......AND I DON'T HAVE TO WAIT IN LINE. Just stick them
on the counter or in the box opening.

You found some fellow travelers Terry, Hi.

Unc Phil in Lawrence - which is near Lebo or es Columbia, right? HI.

72! (which is also my age, hi)


Re: Keyer Question

Wayne Dillon
 

Hi Sam
Just looked at mine, it's a MFJ-410 and it has an output for grid block keying.
Does that help?
God Bless de Wayne - KC0PMH


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sam Neal <n5af@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

I have a chance to get an older MFJ keyer, the MFJ-410, the older model with
the analog " speed-o-meter " on the front. It is old enough that MFJ doesn't
have it's information on file on their on-line manuals index.

My question is, does it have direct or relay keying. I need the relay keying
for some older cathode keyed rigs - boat anchors. I can't open the BAMA site
this morning.

Any information would be appreciated.

Last night at the 7:30 PM 4SQRP Net, I heard the net control only as the hint
of a ghost of a signal, nothing at all like last week.

Sam Neal N5AF




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QRP -  EFFICIENCY AND SKILL, NOT POWER. 
 
I'm British by birth but American by CHOICE!

Jesus came to pay a debt He didn't owe because we owe a debt we cannot pay...

The Lord bless you and keep you
The Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you
The Lord lift up his contenance upon you and give you peace.

God Bless from Wayne Dillon - KC0PMH

Joshua 24:14-15
2 Cor 5:17
1 Jn 2:17
 

4 State QRP Group NCS - 40m & 160m
4SQRP #95
FPQRP #342 (Flying Pigs QRP Club)
G-QRP-C #11504
NAQCC # 0759
QRP-ARCI #11505
SKCC #1155C
SOC #848
30MDG#1176
NEQRP #693
GORC #192
DMC (Digital Modes Club) # 06686


Re: Minimum Box Size at the PO

George H. Gates
 

I mail a lot of small items here. I print the labels on the USPS site and size them to fit the box. 72 George/W2BPI
 

In a message dated 12/19/2013 17:08:21 Eastern Standard Time, wa0itp@... writes:
 

I went to mail an item in a box today and was told that the box was too small.
The top where I had placed the address label was 4" x 6.5". The post office has
two labels that have to go on the box, one for a tracking label (even if
tracking isn't purchased), and the other is for the postage. AND they both must
be horizontal in the same direction as the address label.

Sooo repacking in a larger box did the trick. Before that box was mailed I
measured the minumum size needed. The top of the box where the address label is
located must be a minimum of 5" x 9" to leave room for the labels.

Hope this helps with your mailings, expecially at this time of year.

---------------------------------
Back to the bench, Winter's too valuable to waste.
I love this radio stuff !
72 WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com


Minimum Box Size at the PO

WA0ITP
 

I went to mail an item in a box today and was told that the box was too small.
The top where I had placed the address label was 4" x 6.5". The post office has
two labels that have to go on the box, one for a tracking label (even if
tracking isn't purchased), and the other is for the postage. AND they both must
be horizontal in the same direction as the address label.

Sooo repacking in a larger box did the trick. Before that box was mailed I
measured the minumum size needed. The top of the box where the address label is
located must be a minimum of 5" x 9" to leave room for the labels.

Hope this helps with your mailings, expecially at this time of year.

---------------------------------
Back to the bench, Winter's too valuable to waste.
I love this radio stuff !
72 WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com


Re: 40M Morning Net

Chuck Carpenter
 

Charles,

I'm not sure I understand what you meant by the comment below?

At 09:48 AM 12/19/2013, Charles Moizeau wrote:
Moreover, with now-increasing daylight early morning QSOs on 1,000 mile or further circuits won't be possible on 40m.
For several years, since I discovered them, I've checked into the 1200 UTC daily Water Way CW net on 7047 (used to be 7050). Although there are those bad propagation days, most of the time I have no problem from here in NE TX with stations all along the east coast from Maine to Key West. Some of the close in stations are more often hard to copy than those farther out.

Also there is one station on the island of Roatan off the coast of Honduras who checks in regularly.

So, I'm confused?




Chuck Carpenter, W5USJ
EM22cv, Rains Co. TX


Re: 40M Morning Net

Chuck Carpenter
 

Charles,

I'm not sure I understand what you meant by the comment below?

At 09:48 AM 12/19/2013, Charles Moizeau wrote:
Moreover, with now-increasing daylight early morning QSOs on 1,000 mile or further circuits won't be possible on 40m.
For several years, since I discovered them, I've checked into the 1200 UTC daily Water Way CW net on 7047 (used to be 7050). Although there are those bad propagation days, most of the time I have no problem from here in NE TX with stations all along the east coast from Maine to Key West. Some of the close in stations are more often hard to copy than those farther out.

Also there is one station on the island of Roatan off the coast of Honduras who checks in regularly.

So, I'm confused?




Chuck Carpenter, W5USJ
EM22cv, Rains Co. TX


Re: Keyer Question

Wayne Dillon
 

Hi Sam,
I just found this on another site:

"I just purchased this Morse Code teaching box/keyer in a swapmeet. The front panel dials is pretty self-explanatory, but the rear panel jacks is somewhat confusing to me. There is RCA jacks labeled 'Direct' and 'Grid Block', what's that for? Also, I assume the key jack is a stereo one, for paddle key. Is that correct?"

The box does not come with the manual. Does anyone have experience with this box? I would like to use this box for my morse code training as well as for keying a QRP rig.

Does that help? When I get home I'll look at mine ad see what I can tell ya...
72/3 es God Bless de Wayne - KC0PMH


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sam Neal <n5af@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

I have a chance to get an older MFJ keyer, the MFJ-410, the older model with
the analog " speed-o-meter " on the front. It is old enough that MFJ doesn't
have it's information on file on their on-line manuals index.

My question is, does it have direct or relay keying. I need the relay keying
for some older cathode keyed rigs - boat anchors. I can't open the BAMA site
this morning.

Any information would be appreciated.

Last night at the 7:30 PM 4SQRP Net, I heard the net control only as the hint
of a ghost of a signal, nothing at all like last week.

Sam Neal N5AF




--
http://www.qsl.net/kc0pmh/   Under construction but please visit anyway.
 
QRP -  EFFICIENCY AND SKILL, NOT POWER. 
 
I'm British by birth but American by CHOICE!

Jesus came to pay a debt He didn't owe because we owe a debt we cannot pay...

The Lord bless you and keep you
The Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you
The Lord lift up his contenance upon you and give you peace.

God Bless from Wayne Dillon - KC0PMH

Joshua 24:14-15
2 Cor 5:17
1 Jn 2:17
 

4 State QRP Group NCS - 40m & 160m
4SQRP #95
FPQRP #342 (Flying Pigs QRP Club)
G-QRP-C #11504
NAQCC # 0759
QRP-ARCI #11505
SKCC #1155C
SOC #848
30MDG#1176
NEQRP #693
GORC #192
DMC (Digital Modes Club) # 06686


Re: Keyer Question

wb9dlc@...
 

Hello Sam


This small kit from Jackson Harbor Kits will let you connect your keyer to any transmitter :


http://wb9kzy.com/keyall.htm


Good Luck - 73


Mike - wb9dlc

http://wb9dlc.com




---In 4sqrp@{{emailDomain}}, <n5af@...> wrote:

Hello,

I have a chance to get an older MFJ keyer, the MFJ-410, the older model with
the analog " speed-o-meter " on the front. It is old enough that MFJ doesn't
have it's information on file on their on-line manuals index.

My question is, does it have direct or relay keying. I need the relay keying
for some older cathode keyed rigs - boat anchors. I can't open the BAMA site
this morning.

Any information would be appreciated.

Last night at the 7:30 PM 4SQRP Net, I heard the net control only as the hint
of a ghost of a signal, nothing at all like last week.

Sam Neal N5AF


Keyer Question

Sam Neal
 

Hello,

I have a chance to get an older MFJ keyer, the MFJ-410, the older model with
the analog " speed-o-meter " on the front. It is old enough that MFJ doesn't
have it's information on file on their on-line manuals index.

My question is, does it have direct or relay keying. I need the relay keying
for some older cathode keyed rigs - boat anchors. I can't open the BAMA site
this morning.

Any information would be appreciated.

Last night at the 7:30 PM 4SQRP Net, I heard the net control only as the hint
of a ghost of a signal, nothing at all like last week.

Sam Neal N5AF


Re: 40M Morning Net

w2sh@...
 

Heard several of you today, but didn't dare trying to break through the QRM that always arises from simultaneous multiple QNI attempts.  Went QRT at 0852 CT.

Moreover, with now-increasing daylight early morning QSOs on 1,000 mile or further circuits won't be possible on 40m.

72,

Charles, W2SH   



To: 4sqrp@...
From: wa0itp@...
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 09:25:39 -0600
Subject: [4sqrp] 40M Morning Net

 

Good net this morning. Checkins from all over, KY,TX, MI KS, NS, IA. Good to see that.  Also we had some miliwatters check in, KC0JQH and WB0QQT were both running waay under a watt.  40 is good in the morning.  Thanks to all who made it on this morning. Shall we move next weeks net to another day since Christmas falls on Wednesday, and we may be with family?   
 

KC0DD

Jim

Drakesville, IA

W0OTM/M

Marshall

OTTUMWA, IA 52501

WA5BDU

Nick

RUSSELLVILLE, AR

W0IIT

Bart

Pittsburg, KS

KB4QNR

BOBBY

LEXINGTON, KY

WB8ICN

Mikey

JACKSON, MI

WB0QQT

Steve

LINCOLN, NE

W5USJ

Chuck

Point, TX

KC0JQH

KIM

BONDURANT, IA

WB0QQT

Steve

LINCOLN, NE


----------------------------------
Back to the bench, Winter's too valuable to waste.
I love this radio stuff !
72   WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com
 
 
 


40M Morning Net

WA0ITP
 

Good net this morning. Checkins from all over, KY,TX, MI KS, NS, IA. Good to see that.  Also we had some miliwatters check in, KC0JQH and WB0QQT were both running waay under a watt.  40 is good in the morning.  Thanks to all who made it on this morning. Shall we move next weeks net to another day since Christmas falls on Wednesday, and we may be with family?   
 

KC0DD

Jim

Drakesville, IA

W0OTM/M

Marshall

OTTUMWA, IA 52501

WA5BDU

Nick

RUSSELLVILLE, AR

W0IIT

Bart

Pittsburg, KS

KB4QNR

BOBBY

LEXINGTON, KY

WB8ICN

Mikey

JACKSON, MI

WB0QQT

Steve

LINCOLN, NE

W5USJ

Chuck

Point, TX

KC0JQH

KIM

BONDURANT, IA

WB0QQT

Steve

LINCOLN, NE


----------------------------------
Back to the bench, Winter's too valuable to waste.
I love this radio stuff !
72   WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com
 
 
 


Wed. night PSK checkins:

Dick Hammond
 

KA0KRN David, Ottumwa, IA
AC0WZ  Dan, Fulton, MO
Band wasn't good tonight,hope
to see it better next week.
N0TGR Dick, Augusta, KS NCS