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Re: Keying interface for PC

Charles W. Powell
 

Single cable to the KX2/KX3 will take care of keying and frequency readout for loads of loggers.  I'm currently using CQRlog under Linux but I was using it previously with RUMlogNG under Mac.  It's brilliant.  Honestly CQRlog is a little clumsier to use but it still works great.  You don't need to store message on the KX2/KX3.  The macro keys or pre-programmed RUN or S&P messages are sent from your computer.

72,

Chas - NK8O

On 9/26/20 1:01 PM, Johnny AC0BQ wrote:
Thanks Jim
I appreciate you digging into this.
I am trying to key my Kx3 for the upcoming NAQACC N3A event.

I was thinking that it required two port connections, but I couldn’t figure out how to do that?

The little interface would still be a great asset on a simpler QRP rig.

Thanks again
73
Johnny ACØBQ 

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:48 AM n5ib_2 <n5ib@...> wrote:
Update:   it's amazing what you can learn just by "doing your homework"    :^))



Scott (N3FJP) has in fact already implemented an "almost as good" feature for sending CW over the CAT connection to the Elecraft rigs (and others that support a similar feature, like the Icom 7600 and 7610)



In the CW transmit settings, if the function key stored messages are prefixed with "RI:" then the characters that follow will be sent over the active CAT link as command(s) rather than used as text to key the transmitter over a separate keying link.



See the Elecraft KIO2 programmer's reference, page 9:

<https://ftp.elecraft.com/K2/Manuals%20Downloads/KIO2%20Pgmrs%20Ref%20rev%20E.pdf>



and N3FJP's CW transmit settings instructions (quoted below):

".....

With version 1.1, I have added the ability to play saved CW strings stored in your rig (for rigs equipped with this feature).  To send a command to your rig instead of sending the string, precede the text with RI:.  For example, when placed in an F key string, the following will trigger the Icom 7300 and Icom 7610 internally recorded voice messages: (you must have rig interface enabled and be connected by a com port)......"



For example, if the F4 key is loaded with "RI:SW16;SW08;" then pressing the F4 key will send the message stored in the K2's message memory #1.

  the SW16;  simulates a tap of the MSG button, and the SW08; simulates tapping the "1" button.



In like manner...

"RI:SW16;SW09;"  sends memory #2,  "RI:SW16;SW10;"  sends #3 and so on.



So in one swell foop [sic] I've almost obsoleted my wired USB keying interface     LOL    and designated the wireless BlueTooth CAT link as a the keying interface.



What is lost in the scheme is the ability to auto-insert callsigns, serial numbers, etc into a stored message. So Scott still owes us some midnight oil...       Break's Over, Scott!!       LOL



Jim, N5IB


Re: Keying interface for PC

Charles W. Powell
 

FYI: The Hilltopper, with serial firmware and a USB-Serial cable not only read frequency out to your logging software, it can also key CW macro messages.  I used the KX3 setting with mine and it worked perfectly.

72,

Chas - NK8O

On 9/26/20 11:48 AM, n5ib_2 wrote:
Update: it's amazing what you can learn just by "doing your homework" :^))

Scott (N3FJP) has in fact already implemented an "almost as good" feature for sending CW over the CAT connection to the Elecraft rigs (and others that support a similar feature, like the Icom 7600 and 7610)

In the CW transmit settings, if the function key stored messages are prefixed with "RI:" then the characters that follow will be sent over the active CAT link as command(s) rather than used as text to key the transmitter over a separate keying link.

See the Elecraft KIO2 programmer's reference, page 9:
<https://ftp.elecraft.com/K2/Manuals%20Downloads/KIO2%20Pgmrs%20Ref%20rev%20E.pdf>

and N3FJP's CW transmit settings instructions (quoted below):
".....
With version 1.1, I have added the ability to play saved CW strings stored in your rig (for rigs equipped with this feature). To send a command to your rig instead of sending the string, precede the text with RI:. For example, when placed in an F key string, the following will trigger the Icom 7300 and Icom 7610 internally recorded voice messages: (you must have rig interface enabled and be connected by a com port)......"

For example, if the F4 key is loaded with "RI:SW16;SW08;" then pressing the F4 key will send the message stored in the K2's message memory #1.
the SW16; simulates a tap of the MSG button, and the SW08; simulates tapping the "1" button.

In like manner...
"RI:SW16;SW09;" sends memory #2, "RI:SW16;SW10;" sends #3 and so on.

So in one swell foop [sic] I've almost obsoleted my wired USB keying interface LOL and designated the wireless BlueTooth CAT link as a the keying interface.

What is lost in the scheme is the ability to auto-insert callsigns, serial numbers, etc into a stored message. So Scott still owes us some midnight oil... Break's Over, Scott!! LOL

Jim, N5IB


Re: US supplied Vietnam Village VHF handheld QRP radios....

Francis Thompson
 

AM and some had a small PA system built in for a village speaker.
I repaired some from my base in PhuLoi.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device


Re: US supplied Vietnam Village VHF handheld QRP radios....

Jerry Brown
 

But this link specifies that there were units that were AM for 30-40 mHz.

http://militaryradio.com/spyradio/village.html

They were very similar in external appearance.

73, 

Jerry N4EO


On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 4:24 PM Jerry Brown via groups.io <n4eobrown=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Keith, 

I never say anything other than FM versions in the rigs that ended up with hams out of
the El Paso Hallicrafters factory that closed in 1974.

73,

Jerry N4EO

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On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:38 PM keith ford via groups.io <kf4tap=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Just a question?  Were those am or fm radios? 


keith 


Re: US supplied Vietnam Village VHF handheld QRP radios....

Jerry Brown
 

Keith, 

I never say anything other than FM versions in the rigs that ended up with hams out of
the El Paso Hallicrafters factory that closed in 1974.

73,

Jerry N4EO

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On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:38 PM keith ford via groups.io <kf4tap=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Just a question?  Were those am or fm radios? 


keith 


Re: US supplied Vietnam Village VHF handheld QRP radios....

keith ford
 

Just a question?  Were those am or fm radios? 


keith 


More info on Vietnam Village Radios from a great "spy" radio website.....

Jerry Brown
 


Re: US supplied Vietnam Village VHF handheld QRP radios....

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Hello Jerry
Pretty neat article!
Thanks for sharing.
Take care stay well.
72
Johnny ACØBQ 

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 2:02 PM Jerry Brown <n4eobrown@...> wrote:
Gang, 

Recollections after a visit to the Fair Radio website today!

From my time living in El Paso, TX (Ft Bliss); I was active duty and training in internal medicine at the Army hospital there.

Hams friends there got their first solar powered repeater up and running....at 7,200 feet+,  on North Mt Franklin!
A Texas Air National Guard Chinook took the concrete enclosure for the repeater to the peak for them.

Check out the QST (cover) article on this repeater written by Roy Gould, N5RG,  that
was published in Jan 78 QST (you may have to be an ARRL member to get this article).....


The village VHF radios my roommate Steve Guerra WB5LCN  used for building the repeater RX/TX modules 
are now being sold at Fair Radio. The Hallicrafters plant in El Paso that made these radios closed in 1974.


73,
Jerry N4EO, ex-WA4GKO, ex-YI9EO, ex-HL9EO
Ret'd US Army


















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US supplied Vietnam Village VHF handheld QRP radios....

Jerry Brown
 

Gang, 

Recollections after a visit to the Fair Radio website today!

From my time living in El Paso, TX (Ft Bliss); I was active duty and training in internal medicine at the Army hospital there.

Hams friends there got their first solar powered repeater up and running....at 7,200 feet+,  on North Mt Franklin!
A Texas Air National Guard Chinook took the concrete enclosure for the repeater to the peak for them.

Check out the QST (cover) article on this repeater written by Roy Gould, N5RG,  that
was published in Jan 78 QST (you may have to be an ARRL member to get this article).....


The village VHF radios my roommate Steve Guerra WB5LCN  used for building the repeater RX/TX modules 
are now being sold at Fair Radio. The Hallicrafters plant in El Paso that made these radios closed in 1974.


73,
Jerry N4EO, ex-WA4GKO, ex-YI9EO, ex-HL9EO
Ret'd US Army



Re: QRP Banner

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Hello Robert
Try this one.
Johnny ACØBQ 

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:46 AM griffithsesq.robert via groups.io <signalnaut=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Is there a direct email address for proposed Banner articles?

Griff NE3I



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Re: Keying interface for PC

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Thanks Jim
I appreciate you digging into this.
I am trying to key my Kx3 for the upcoming NAQACC N3A event.

I was thinking that it required two port connections, but I couldn’t figure out how to do that?

The little interface would still be a great asset on a simpler QRP rig.

Thanks again
73
Johnny ACØBQ 

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:48 AM n5ib_2 <n5ib@...> wrote:
Update:   it's amazing what you can learn just by "doing your homework"    :^))



Scott (N3FJP) has in fact already implemented an "almost as good" feature for sending CW over the CAT connection to the Elecraft rigs (and others that support a similar feature, like the Icom 7600 and 7610)



In the CW transmit settings, if the function key stored messages are prefixed with "RI:" then the characters that follow will be sent over the active CAT link as command(s) rather than used as text to key the transmitter over a separate keying link.



See the Elecraft KIO2 programmer's reference, page 9:

<https://ftp.elecraft.com/K2/Manuals%20Downloads/KIO2%20Pgmrs%20Ref%20rev%20E.pdf>



and N3FJP's CW transmit settings instructions (quoted below):

".....

With version 1.1, I have added the ability to play saved CW strings stored in your rig (for rigs equipped with this feature).  To send a command to your rig instead of sending the string, precede the text with RI:.  For example, when placed in an F key string, the following will trigger the Icom 7300 and Icom 7610 internally recorded voice messages: (you must have rig interface enabled and be connected by a com port)......"



For example, if the F4 key is loaded with "RI:SW16;SW08;" then pressing the F4 key will send the message stored in the K2's message memory #1.

  the SW16;  simulates a tap of the MSG button, and the SW08; simulates tapping the "1" button.



In like manner...

"RI:SW16;SW09;"  sends memory #2,  "RI:SW16;SW10;"  sends #3 and so on.



So in one swell foop [sic] I've almost obsoleted my wired USB keying interface     LOL    and designated the wireless BlueTooth CAT link as a the keying interface.



What is lost in the scheme is the ability to auto-insert callsigns, serial numbers, etc into a stored message. So Scott still owes us some midnight oil...       Break's Over, Scott!!       LOL



Jim, N5IB













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Re: Keying interface for PC

Jim, N5IB
 

Update: it's amazing what you can learn just by "doing your homework" :^))

Scott (N3FJP) has in fact already implemented an "almost as good" feature for sending CW over the CAT connection to the Elecraft rigs (and others that support a similar feature, like the Icom 7600 and 7610)

In the CW transmit settings, if the function key stored messages are prefixed with "RI:" then the characters that follow will be sent over the active CAT link as command(s) rather than used as text to key the transmitter over a separate keying link.

See the Elecraft KIO2 programmer's reference, page 9:
<https://ftp.elecraft.com/K2/Manuals%20Downloads/KIO2%20Pgmrs%20Ref%20rev%20E.pdf>

and N3FJP's CW transmit settings instructions (quoted below):
".....
With version 1.1, I have added the ability to play saved CW strings stored in your rig (for rigs equipped with this feature). To send a command to your rig instead of sending the string, precede the text with RI:. For example, when placed in an F key string, the following will trigger the Icom 7300 and Icom 7610 internally recorded voice messages: (you must have rig interface enabled and be connected by a com port)......"

For example, if the F4 key is loaded with "RI:SW16;SW08;" then pressing the F4 key will send the message stored in the K2's message memory #1.
the SW16; simulates a tap of the MSG button, and the SW08; simulates tapping the "1" button.

In like manner...
"RI:SW16;SW09;" sends memory #2, "RI:SW16;SW10;" sends #3 and so on.

So in one swell foop [sic] I've almost obsoleted my wired USB keying interface LOL and designated the wireless BlueTooth CAT link as a the keying interface.

What is lost in the scheme is the ability to auto-insert callsigns, serial numbers, etc into a stored message. So Scott still owes us some midnight oil... Break's Over, Scott!! LOL

Jim, N5IB


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griffithsesq.robert
 

Is there a direct email address for proposed Banner articles?
Griff NE3I

Robert Alan Griffiths


Re: Keying interface for PC

Jim, N5IB
 

I should append a note about using the keying interface with rigs other than the K2...

The 4N25 optoisolator's output transistor is rated at 70 volts C-E breakdown and 50 mA continuous collector current. So the voltage won't be an issue with any solid state rig (tube rig ops beware!), but the current and saturation voltage might be, as Terry had noted.

The K2 draws less than a mA on key-down and has enough voltage margin to accommodate the C-E voltage of the opto plus the diodes used for the "straight-key-sensing" circuit.

Other rigs might sink considerably more current through the key, or require a "harder" ground condition. For instance, a Bayou Jumper passes the full Tx current, about 700 mA, through the key, so no way the little opto could handle that. To test, use your DMM as an ammeter across the rig's key line to measure the "short circuit current." If less than 30 mA or so then no worries.

Worst case - you might have to add a more robust keying transistor stage at the output to handle an beefier keying circuit, or if the opto doesn't pull the line close enough to ground.

I'll make a test with my IC-706 and TS-430S and report back, though I seem to recall using a similar opto isolator with the 706 a few years back with no issues.

I wish I could find a serial BlueTooth module that managed the modem control lines properly, but the ones I've tried, even those with a pinout for RTS, DTR, etc, didn't seem to control them.

I gently prodded N3FJP a couple years back to add program support for Elecraft rigs' ability to send CW via a command over the CAT link, but to date he hasn't had occasion to implement it. Perhaps a "re-prod" is in order :^))

If that feature were included, then my little wireless BlueTooth CAT adapter:
<https://qsl.net/n5ib/Elecraft%20K2%20Bluetooth%20Interface%20Overview.pdf>
would handle rig control and CW keying over the same link.

Jim, N5IB


Re: Keying interface for PC

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Gm Jim 
I have to agree with Wayne.
Great Job!
I have been trying to figure out how to key my radio with the N3FJP software.

Now I need to get busy and build one!!

Thanks
73
Johnny ACØBQ 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 10:49 AM n5ib_2 <n5ib@...> wrote:
A few days ago I was reading Terry's (WA0ITP) description of a keying interface he made in order to use N3FJP contest and general logging software to send CW . His interface connected to a PC's printer port.

<http://www.wa0itp.com/cwinterface.html>



With the demise of real serial ports and printer port on laptops, I decided to make an interface using a USB to serial adapter module that I had on hand. As long as it brought out the needed modem control lines (RTS in this case) it ought to work. I made a quick toner transfer PC board, and exercised my recently acquired 3D printer to make an enclosure.



Attached is a PDF document of the project. It works fine - and just in time to get ready for November Sweepstakes.

Additional support information can be found at  <https://qsl.net/n5ib/>



73,

Jim, N5IB















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Re: Keying interface for PC

Wayne Dillon
 

Seriously nice job Jim, thanks muchly for sharing.
Wayne - NQ0RP

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Keying interface for PC

Jim, N5IB
 

A few days ago I was reading Terry's (WA0ITP) description of a keying interface he made in order to use N3FJP contest and general logging software to send CW . His interface connected to a PC's printer port.
<http://www.wa0itp.com/cwinterface.html>

With the demise of real serial ports and printer port on laptops, I decided to make an interface using a USB to serial adapter module that I had on hand. As long as it brought out the needed modem control lines (RTS in this case) it ought to work. I made a quick toner transfer PC board, and exercised my recently acquired 3D printer to make an enclosure.

Attached is a PDF document of the project. It works fine - and just in time to get ready for November Sweepstakes.
Additional support information can be found at <https://qsl.net/n5ib/>

73,
Jim, N5IB


Delta Mike Romeo Net

Robert
 

Thanks to those who checked in tonight

WG5F ED
AC0BQ JOHNNY
N0TGR DICK
N4ELM DAVE
WA9BNZ BILL

TONIGHT'S TOPIC BEACONS

73'S

bERT
N0YJ


40 and 80 meter net report

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Ge Group 
Well, I am still waiting on Cycle 25 to begin, but I'm not sure it has started yet? 

Check in's tonight were

40 Meters
KW4JS JOHN
WA9PWP PAUL 
N4ELM DAVE 
WI5H MIKE 

80 METER CHECK IN'S WERE: 

N4ELM DAVE DOUBLE 
WA9PWP PAUL DOUBLE 
WA0ITP TERRY 
N0YJ BERT 

Thanks all, have a great week, enjoy the fall WX! 
72 
Johnny AC0BQ


Wednesday Evening 40 and 80 meter Nets - Wed, 09/23/2020 #cal-notice

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Wednesday Evening 40 and 80 meter Nets

When:
Wednesday, 23 September 2020
20:00 to 21:00
(GMT-05:00) America/Chicago

Where:
40 and 80 Meters

Organizer:
jomatlock@...

Description:
The 40 Meter Net will be at 8:00 pm central time  on 7.122 +-. QRM
NCS is WQ5RP/ACØBQ 

Wednesday evening 80 Meter CW Net. will be at  (8:30PM Central Time Wednesday). 



The 80 meter net will be called on 3.564 MHz +/- QRM.
Net control operator is Johnny ACØBQ 

* NEW *  Wednesday evening DMR Voice Net will be at (Thursday) 0300 UTC (9:00PM Central Time Wednesday/)
Four States QRP has a Brandmeister DMR Talk Group (TG31654). Join us to discuss QRP, ask questions, or just ragchew. The Wednesday net is a directed net  but any other time you may use the Talk Group to chat with other QRPers.
Net Control operator is Bert NØYJ.

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