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Re: No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

Bob Parr
 

No problem. I didn't even realize it was not.

Bob

------ Original Message ------
From: "Jim, N5IB" <n5ib@juno.com>
To: main@4sqrp.groups.io
Sent: 3/22/2021 12:35:09 PM
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

I'm going to post a comment over on the Bayou Jumper Group about the keying mod.
Want to concentrate those discussions over there if possible

Jim, N5IB






Re: Souper Upper coming soon!

davemrtn
 

I agree, I want to thank Jim for updating features on the Bayou Jumper to accommodate the Soup'er Up'er and make installation as simple as possible, without having to cut traces, and providing solder pads for all the necessary connections for the Soup'er Up'er to interface with the Bayou Jumper.

Unfortunately, the current "revB" Bayou Jumper pcb may require the builder to cut one trace if using the Red & Green LED, and the Soup'er Up'er.  But Jim has an update to the Bayou Jumper pcb that will eliminate that on the next run of Bayou Jumper boards.


David Martin - NA1MH - Mountain Home, Ar. -----------------------------------------
Wherever I go, there He is.


On 3/22/2021 10:53 AM, Johnny AC0BQ wrote:
Gm group. 
I am pleased to announce that the Bayou Jumper Souper Upper Kit 
will be released as soon as the parts and boards arrive. 

Thanks goes to David  NA1MH and Jim N5IB for updating the kit. 

Keep an eye on the reflectors for the announcement. 
We don't maintain any waiting list. 
72 


--
QRP....."More smiles per Watt"
72
JOHNNY AC0BQ  ..



Re: No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

Jim, N5IB
 

I'm going to post a comment over on the Bayou Jumper Group about the keying mod.
Want to concentrate those discussions over there if possible

Jim, N5IB


Re: No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

Bob Parr
 

Okay, I only took a quick look at the Rev B instructions and saw what looked like the same schematic.  I see it now and Like the idea of adding this mod and will probably do so to both my Rev A and my Rev B when I build it.

Thanks for your help!
Bob
KG5GTE

------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter AA2VG" <Petersdeluca@...>
Sent: 3/22/2021 11:38:50 AM
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

Bob
Hi. You are correct. The instructions for adding the capability of using a keyer was not in the original white faced manual, I thought it was. The BJs (all versions) pass a large current through the built in key contacts. This works well but it does create several issues. First is that you should not plug an electronic keyer into the key jack because the current would be too high for the keyer 350 - 750 mA as I understand it. This might destroy your keyer. You can, of course, plug in a straight key since a straight can handle this current as you are just making a metal to metal connection (the contacts). The second issue is that the built-in key contacts tend to build up some carbon, I assume, and will start to cause some chirping if you don't clean them from time to time. 
I have attached the schematic that was put out on the old Yahoo group back with the initial BJ. It is the same as the schematic on page 43 of the new blue faced BJ. I have also attached a picture of my modification. The advantages of adding the TIP42G are the following.
  1. I can still use my built in straight key as I works as it did before the mod. The full current goes through the contacts and if I don't clean them often it sends a chirp, which I kind of like. Nevertheless, the FCC volunteer monitoring group did send me a postcard with boxes checked off..... ie foul language, causing interference and other bad things with a check next to Chirping...I think it was meant in good faith.
  2. I can plug in any straight key. Now the external str key does not see the large current. More importantly, my CW signal is cleaner because it is the TIP42G that is acting like a switch turning on and off my dots and dashes.
  3. There are many small keyers that one can purchase or build. Now I can plug in my Whiterook MK-60 keyer and set it for iambic mode with a paddle or even straight key mode. Since the keyer does not see the large current and only sees the TIP42G turning on and off it is not stressed and will not get destroyed. 
  4. All of these small keyers like the MK-60 or any keyer that you build these days have a Piezoelectric speaker or an actual speaker and thus I will have a side tone. My old Whiterook MK-60 even has a straight key mode. This allows me to send with an external straight key and have a side tone. The side tone is of course coming from the keyer and not the BJ so when sending I have my headphones slightly off one ear so I can hear the side tone. 
In summary with the TIP42G mod you have so many choices..... and lots of fun.  

Enjoy and feel free to comment.
72
Peter
AA2VG


Re: No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

 

Bob
Hi. You are correct. The instructions for adding the capability of using a keyer was not in the original white faced manual, I thought it was. The BJs (all versions) pass a large current through the built in key contacts. This works well but it does create several issues. First is that you should not plug an electronic keyer into the key jack because the current would be too high for the keyer 350 - 750 mA as I understand it. This might destroy your keyer. You can, of course, plug in a straight key since a straight can handle this current as you are just making a metal to metal connection (the contacts). The second issue is that the built-in key contacts tend to build up some carbon, I assume, and will start to cause some chirping if you don't clean them from time to time. 
I have attached the schematic that was put out on the old Yahoo group back with the initial BJ. It is the same as the schematic on page 43 of the new blue faced BJ. I have also attached a picture of my modification. The advantages of adding the TIP42G are the following.
  1. I can still use my built in straight key as I works as it did before the mod. The full current goes through the contacts and if I don't clean them often it sends a chirp, which I kind of like. Nevertheless, the FCC volunteer monitoring group did send me a postcard with boxes checked off..... ie foul language, causing interference and other bad things with a check next to Chirping...I think it was meant in good faith.
  2. I can plug in any straight key. Now the external str key does not see the large current. More importantly, my CW signal is cleaner because it is the TIP42G that is acting like a switch turning on and off my dots and dashes.
  3. There are many small keyers that one can purchase or build. Now I can plug in my Whiterook MK-60 keyer and set it for iambic mode with a paddle or even straight key mode. Since the keyer does not see the large current and only sees the TIP42G turning on and off it is not stressed and will not get destroyed. 
  4. All of these small keyers like the MK-60 or any keyer that you build these days have a Piezoelectric speaker or an actual speaker and thus I will have a side tone. My old Whiterook MK-60 even has a straight key mode. This allows me to send with an external straight key and have a side tone. The side tone is of course coming from the keyer and not the BJ so when sending I have my headphones slightly off one ear so I can hear the side tone. 
In summary with the TIP42G mod you have so many choices..... and lots of fun.  

Enjoy and feel free to comment.
72
Peter
AA2VG


Re: [BayouJumperKit] Souper Upper coming soon!

Timothy East
 

Super!!!!  Can’t wait


On Mar 22, 2021, at 11:04, Andrew Wollin <ve3uin@...> wrote:


Here’s hoping I get in.

Andrew

VE3UIN 

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:56 AM Doug Dukes <dougdukes@...> wrote:
Thank you Sir.  Looking forward to it.

de W5DMD

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 10:53 Johnny AC0BQ <jomatlock@...> wrote:
Gm group. 
I am pleased to announce that the Bayou Jumper Souper Upper Kit 
will be released as soon as the parts and boards arrive. 

Thanks goes to David  NA1MH and Jim N5IB for updating the kit. 

Keep an eye on the reflectors for the announcement. 
We don't maintain any waiting list. 
72 


--
QRP....."More smiles per Watt"
72
JOHNNY AC0BQ  ..



Re: [BayouJumperKit] Souper Upper coming soon!

Andrew Wollin
 

Here’s hoping I get in.

Andrew

VE3UIN 

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:56 AM Doug Dukes <dougdukes@...> wrote:
Thank you Sir.  Looking forward to it.

de W5DMD

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 10:53 Johnny AC0BQ <jomatlock@...> wrote:
Gm group. 
I am pleased to announce that the Bayou Jumper Souper Upper Kit 
will be released as soon as the parts and boards arrive. 

Thanks goes to David  NA1MH and Jim N5IB for updating the kit. 

Keep an eye on the reflectors for the announcement. 
We don't maintain any waiting list. 
72 


--
QRP....."More smiles per Watt"
72
JOHNNY AC0BQ  ..



Re: [BayouJumperKit] Souper Upper coming soon!

Doug Dukes
 

Thank you Sir.  Looking forward to it.

de W5DMD

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 10:53 Johnny AC0BQ <jomatlock@...> wrote:
Gm group. 
I am pleased to announce that the Bayou Jumper Souper Upper Kit 
will be released as soon as the parts and boards arrive. 

Thanks goes to David  NA1MH and Jim N5IB for updating the kit. 

Keep an eye on the reflectors for the announcement. 
We don't maintain any waiting list. 
72 


--
QRP....."More smiles per Watt"
72
JOHNNY AC0BQ  ..



Souper Upper coming soon!

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Gm group. 
I am pleased to announce that the Bayou Jumper Souper Upper Kit 
will be released as soon as the parts and boards arrive. 

Thanks goes to David  NA1MH and Jim N5IB for updating the kit. 

Keep an eye on the reflectors for the announcement. 
We don't maintain any waiting list. 
72 


--
QRP....."More smiles per Watt"
72
JOHNNY AC0BQ  ..



Re: No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

Bob Parr
 

I have the Rev A and Rev B instructions and don't see mention of the PNP.  I very well may be missing it, but can you explain where/what it does.  I am guessing part of it is for an electronic keyer (which I like) but also how will it facilitate a side tone?

Bob
KG5GTE

------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter AA2VG" <Petersdeluca@...>
Sent: 3/22/2021 8:00:40 AM
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

Bill,
Hi. I have had my BJ for several years now (white faced). So far 28 states and 2 countries. I have used the built-in key, an external straight key, an iambic keyer and a keyer as a straight key. More recently I use a mini straight key without a side tone. It takes some practice but goes along with the minimalist use of this basic rig which is part of the fun.
I would suggest that you add the robust PNP transistor (TIP42G) on the underside of the board as described on page 43 of the manual. This will allow you to use any combination of key or keyer that you would like, with or without a side tone. The modification is pretty simple. Another advantage is that your CW will sound a little better with an external key without any chirping which will start to occur if you use the built in key and don’t regularly clean the contacts. I can send you some pictures of my TIP42G mod if you would like. 
Have fun and try the BJ every which way.... that’s the fun and challenge.
72
Peter
AA2VG


Re: No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

 

Bill,
Hi. I have had my BJ for several years now (white faced). So far 28 states and 2 countries. I have used the built-in key, an external straight key, an iambic keyer and a keyer as a straight key. More recently I use a mini straight key without a side tone. It takes some practice but goes along with the minimalist use of this basic rig which is part of the fun.
I would suggest that you add the robust PNP transistor (TIP42G) on the underside of the board as described on page 43 of the manual. This will allow you to use any combination of key or keyer that you would like, with or without a side tone. The modification is pretty simple. Another advantage is that your CW will sound a little better with an external key without any chirping which will start to occur if you use the built in key and don’t regularly clean the contacts. I can send you some pictures of my TIP42G mod if you would like. 
Have fun and try the BJ every which way.... that’s the fun and challenge.
72
Peter
AA2VG


Re: No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

Everett Catlin
 

Hi Bill

Good morning. On using the Bayou Jumper without a side tone. I have just gotten used  to it. It took a while. I might add the Souper Upper later but going to operate it this way first.
73
Ev Catlin N5MZX


On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 5:36 AM Roger-N0RSR <Roger.Rugg@...> wrote:
I've been known to use 2 other radios with the Bayou Jumper. Both yeasu 818s from my satellite chasing hobby. 

One connected to a dummy load and key so I can verify my receive frequency and tune back to it quickly if it drifts. The second is on the frequency of the spotted crystal with no antenna and serves as the side tone. 

Keeping in mind I've made a whopping 2 contacts on it, I'm sure there's a better way. I have successfully called CQ without side tone but seems easier with a side tone.

-Roger 

N0RSR

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 9:15 PM AC5WT via groups.io <anwj=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
I am new to this format. I built the Blue Bayou Jumper... I have it going and it is working fine thanks to the very detailed manual... I have not made a contact on the rig yet but hoping to get one soon.
I hear all the others making contacts and wonder how do they make these contacts without a tone?....
What are all of you using for a transmitter tone?....
The manual says do not hook anything across the key because there can be 750 milliamps running through the key! (I measured my key current at 350 milliamperes)
Without the Souper Upper I was wondering how everybody overcame this problem of no transmitter tone?
Detailed explanations would be appreciated. Thanks AC5WT (Bill)


Re: No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

Gary - K7EK
 

I usually do nothing. Just key the rig. It's easy. No sidetone really necessary. I listen
to the clicks of the contacts making and breaking. Alternatively, but not often, I tune
the station transceiver to the Bayou Jumper frequency and listen to myself. This is a low
tech nearly minimalist rig without the luxuries of many of the modern rigs. One does the best
he can with the cards dealt.  Good luck with it.

Best regards,

Gary, K7EK


Re: No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

Roger-N0RSR
 

I've been known to use 2 other radios with the Bayou Jumper. Both yeasu 818s from my satellite chasing hobby. 

One connected to a dummy load and key so I can verify my receive frequency and tune back to it quickly if it drifts. The second is on the frequency of the spotted crystal with no antenna and serves as the side tone. 

Keeping in mind I've made a whopping 2 contacts on it, I'm sure there's a better way. I have successfully called CQ without side tone but seems easier with a side tone.

-Roger 

N0RSR

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 9:15 PM AC5WT via groups.io <anwj=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
I am new to this format. I built the Blue Bayou Jumper... I have it going and it is working fine thanks to the very detailed manual... I have not made a contact on the rig yet but hoping to get one soon.
I hear all the others making contacts and wonder how do they make these contacts without a tone?....
What are all of you using for a transmitter tone?....
The manual says do not hook anything across the key because there can be 750 milliamps running through the key! (I measured my key current at 350 milliamperes)
Without the Souper Upper I was wondering how everybody overcame this problem of no transmitter tone?
Detailed explanations would be appreciated. Thanks AC5WT (Bill)


No Tone on the Bayou Jumper?

AC5WT <anwj@...>
 

I am new to this format. I built the Blue Bayou Jumper... I have it going and it is working fine thanks to the very detailed manual... I have not made a contact on the rig yet but hoping to get one soon.
I hear all the others making contacts and wonder how do they make these contacts without a tone?....
What are all of you using for a transmitter tone?....
The manual says do not hook anything across the key because there can be 750 milliamps running through the key! (I measured my key current at 350 milliamperes)
Without the Souper Upper I was wondering how everybody overcame this problem of no transmitter tone?
Detailed explanations would be appreciated. Thanks AC5WT (Bill)


Re: S4 tuner

Bob Parr
 

My issue turned out to be the red LED was bad.  Now I am going to try to add the pot, since my red never goes out.

Bob

------ Original Message ------
From: "Bob Parr" <parr@...>
Sent: 3/18/2021 5:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] S4 tuner

With it in circuit, I did check the continuity (I know circuit components can may this less than perfect) but the switch did seem to be working.  Both poles in both positions.

Other thoughts?  I can swap out the switch, but I don't want to waste time if that is not the problem.

Bob

------ Original Message ------
From: "Timothy East" <Timothyeast@...>
Sent: 3/18/2021 4:01:30 PM
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] S4 tuner

New switch cured my problems. 


On Mar 18, 2021, at 15:57, Johnny AC0BQ <jomatlock@...> wrote:


Ge Bob
My experience with repairing a couple of these is the switch is probably bad.

The one I repaired had been too hot and was intermittent.

Just a guess?
72
Johnny 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM Bob Parr <parr@...> wrote:
Sorry if this shows up twice.  First time didn't look like it went through...

Okay, I have used my S4 tuner many times with the only issue being the red LED didn't usally go dark. Well I pulled out the S4 for the BJ London calling event and it didn't work. No spot on the inductor gave ANY lights, and it seems there is no signal coming out of the tuner. Tuner feeds a MFJ tuner that I use as a power meter when using the S4.
 
Any ideas where to start looking?

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Check out the 4SQRP website at 4sqrp.com


Alert Alert Build session Canceled

stephen white
 

I will be cancelling the build sessions for the next several weeks.  I will be taking care of some personal issues and will not be available.  I will let every one know when I will restart the build session but expect it to restart in a month or so.

Steve


Re: FS a speaker

Timothy East
 

Bummer. Too slow


From: main@4SQRP.groups.io <main@4SQRP.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Goemans <wa9pwp@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 5:46:36 PM
To: main@4sqrp.groups.io <main@4sqrp.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] FS a speaker
 
Sorry, til late!


Sent from Pauls iPhone

On Mar 18, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Timothy East <Timothyeast@...> wrote:

 Am I too late???


On Mar 18, 2021, at 16:26, William Wisbey <w1sby@...> wrote:

 Sold!

Allen Wisbey, W1SBY


On Mar 18, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Paul Goemans <wa9pwp@...> wrote:


Greetings,
  I have a nice Aiwa model SC-A9 powered speaker that I haven’t used in quite some time. I know someone out there needs it! Perfect for that little QRP rig that doesn’t drive a speaker well! Plug into the 1/8” jack on the back, it is a straight through speaker. Turn it on, it is an amplified speaker! It gets quite loud! Powered internally by 4 C cells! See photo with my HB-1B for size. 6” high, 4 1/2” wide, 4” deep. All plastic. Will ship to you for $15 (conUS). HB-1B not for sale.
 
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Paul Goemans WA9PWP
Stoughton, WI


Hilltopper kits -- and then there were none

Jim Pruitt
 

The last remaining Hilltopper kit has been sold so the Hilltopper kit will be on a long rest.  Again if you think you want it to return I would suggest letting the kit manager know that.  If you think it should be retired then let him know that too.

Thank you for your support.  It is greatly appreciated.  You are a great bunch.

Jim Pruitt
WA7DUY


Hilltopper kits -- only 1 remaining

Jim Pruitt
 

Ladies and gentlemen.

I only have 1 Hilltopper kit left for sale by the group.  Once that single lonely kit is sold I am told that the kit will be
placed on a very long leave of absence.  The kit manager (AC0BQ)
indicated that the Hilltopper will possibly be brought back in a few months for another short run
like this current run.  For that reason I would like to ask that you contact Johnny (AC0BQ)
and let him know if you would like the kit brought back in a few months or if you have no
interest in that kit and think it should be retired.

Almost 350 of this kit have been sold in 3 runs.  I have been the kitter
for the last 2 runs totaling 250 kits so I was not involved in the original offering.

I think the people that make the decision of what 4SQRP kits should be sold
and when they are to be retired would appreciate the input from those that buy those kits
to help them make their decision.

It is also possible to add more bands to the Hilltopper offering such as 80 meters and 17 meters and 15 meters.  
If that is something you would be interested in please let us know.

Please remember that the money above actual cost goes to fund Ozarkcon and the group can't
afford to offer kits that do not sell.  Do you want the Hilltopper to again be offered in the future?  
Do you think the kit has run its course and should be retired?  Would you buy one if it were to be offered again?

The one issue that we will run into is that the Si5351 module is not available and Digikey says
late December despite them saying they still have 97 Adafruit modules in stock with only a 2 week wait for more
and yet they are informing some buyers that they will not be available until December.  The other part is the smt SA612AD
that we pre mount on the board. As you may be aware,  there is an international chip shortage and that may impact
when the kit could be brought back.

Again I would suggest that you let the kit manager know  if you would want a Hilltopper kit and which bands in the future.

Thank you.

Jim Pruitt
WA7DUY

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