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Re: A matter of definition.............

Rick Bennett
 

The great thing about ham radio is that there are no "qrp" police.  IMHO if you are operating about 5 watts or less into whatever type of antenna you happen to have that is good enough for casual operating.  Of course if you are in a contest follow the rules of the contest.

That just seems like a keep it simple approach...

de KC0PET, Rick

On Apr 25, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Phil Anderson <aldenmcduffie@...> wrote:

 

Is QRP strictly 5W out to an antenna with no gain?

If I use 5W and a vertical, then is it still QRP?

If I use 5W and a beam, then is it still QRP?

I would think that 5W of radiated power would define QRP?

unc Phil, W0XI


Re: A matter of definition.............

Tom Sevart
 

On 04/25/2014 17:36, Phil Anderson wrote:
Is QRP strictly 5W out to an antenna with no gain?

If I use 5W and a vertical, then is it still QRP?

If I use 5W and a beam, then is it still QRP?

I would think that 5W of radiated power would define QRP?

unc Phil, W0XI
My opinion is that QRP is 5W out to the antenna.

And 10W SSB.

But I'm not one to strictly insist that my definition is the only correct one.

--
Tom Sevart N2UHC
St. Paul, KS


Re: A matter of definition.............

davemrtn
 

I agree with Dale.

It is the easiest method to very QRP power level, no fussing with formulas, etc. or any other malarkey....� just read the meter on the transmitter output either it says 5w (or less) or doesn't !!!� PERIOD.

On 04/25/2014 06:07 PM, Dale Putnam wrote:
�

I've always gone by the definition that 5 watts, since solid state, is the 5 watts out of the radio..
In the tube days... I used to think that 5 watts input power to the finals... was the right way to do it.
Antenna is not part of the equation, nor the length of feedline. Radiated power.. could be the leveling�
tool.. but that is a stretch, a 3 el beam at 180 ft, is a bit different than a 3 el beam at 15ft... or a 3 el vertical array...
then you need to look at the best angle of radiation... erp... way too much fuss...�
I'd rather slip through the pileup of KWs, without all that worry, just check my wattmeter on the tx..... let the big boys�
watch me go by.�

Have a great day,
�
�
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
�
�



To: 4sqrp@...
From: aldenmcduffie@...
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 17:36:12 -0500
Subject: [4sqrp] A matter of definition.............

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Is QRP strictly 5W out to an antenna with no gain?

If I use 5W and a vertical, then is it still QRP?

If I use 5W and a beam, then is it still QRP?

I would think that 5W of radiated power would define QRP?

unc Phil, W0XI



--
David Martin - K5DCM ---o0o---
Mountain Home, Arkansas

Guns don't kill people, any more than spoons & forks cause obesity.

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Re: A matter of definition...

Chuck Carpenter
 

Phil and Gangue,

Here's what the QRP ARCI sez about that...

<quote>
QRP operation for QRP ARCI purposes is defined as operation with a transmitter power output equal to or less than 10 W PEP output for single-sideband or double-sideband phone (suppressed or full-carrier) and equal to or less than 5 W PEP output for other modes (e.g. CW, FM, AM, digital).

QRP ARCI awards and contests are based on these output levels.
</quote>

This is the definition used by most of the QRP groups who sponsor the various events, e.g., TTF etc.

Events by the major organizations such as ARRL, CQ and other are often something else. So need to check with the sponsoring organization.

Chuck Carpenter, W5USJ
EM22cv, Rains Co. TX


Re: A matter of definition.............

Jim Lowman
 

This issue has been debated widely on the QRP-L list.
The consensus seems to be that QRP is 5 watts or less, as measured at the output of the transmitter - period.

There is at least one contest where there are two categories of QRP entry; one with zero-gain antennas such as dipoles and verticals, and another for gain antennas like Yagis or quads.

72/73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 4/25/2014 3:36 PM, Phil Anderson wrote:


Is QRP strictly 5W out to an antenna with no gain?

If I use 5W and a vertical, then is it still QRP?

If I use 5W and a beam, then is it still QRP?

I would think that 5W of radiated power would define QRP?

unc Phil, W0XI


Re: A matter of definition.............

Bill Cromwell
 

On 04/25/2014 07:07 PM, Dale Putnam wrote:

I've always gone by the definition that 5 watts, since solid state, is the 5 watts out of the radio..
In the tube days... I used to think that 5 watts input power to the finals... was the right way to do it.
Antenna is not part of the equation, nor the length of feedline. Radiated power.. could be the leveling
tool.. but that is a stretch, a 3 el beam at 180 ft, is a bit different than a 3 el beam at 15ft... or a 3 el vertical array...
then you need to look at the best angle of radiation... erp... way too much fuss...
I'd rather slip through the pileup of KWs, without all that worry, just check my wattmeter on the tx..... let the big boys
watch me go by.

Have a great day,


--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
Hi,

I think Dale is a lot closer to it. I recall QRP as being 10 watts or less *input* to the finals and later it became output. "Input does not factor the antenna system" and the present "5 watts" formal definition doesn't either. Measuring your ERP is a lot more complicated than multiplying RX ouput by published gain for your antenna. You ain't going to do it before and during every QRP contest.

At one time QRP was "less than 100 watts" and before that it was simply "reduce power" or with a question mark "shall I reduce power"? If the power level was already 1500 watts output then 1000 watts out could be QRP. For my own evil purposes I run between 10 and 30 watts most of the time and I consider it to be QRP. That is certainly far below the legal limit. Whenever I operate in a QRP event as a QRP station I'm careful to observe the 5 watt limit. Presently I will be operating some transmitters that can barely make 1 watt and other(s) that can make no more than a quarter of one watt. Don't wind up your rubber band too tightly over the "QRP". It's more about fun and overstretched rubber bands ain't fun.

73,

Bill KU8H


Re: A matter of definition.............

kb4qqj
 

Well Said, Well Spoken..... hear hear.
 
Randy_KB4QQJ
 

In a message dated 4/25/2014 7:07:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, daleputnam@... writes:
I'd rather slip through the pileup of KWs, without all that worry, just check my wattmeter on the tx..... let the big boys 
watch me go by. 

Have a great day,
 
 
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy


Re: A matter of definition.............

Dale Putnam
 

I've always gone by the definition that 5 watts, since solid state, is the 5 watts out of the radio..
In the tube days... I used to think that 5 watts input power to the finals... was the right way to do it.
Antenna is not part of the equation, nor the length of feedline. Radiated power.. could be the leveling 
tool.. but that is a stretch, a 3 el beam at 180 ft, is a bit different than a 3 el beam at 15ft... or a 3 el vertical array...
then you need to look at the best angle of radiation... erp... way too much fuss... 
I'd rather slip through the pileup of KWs, without all that worry, just check my wattmeter on the tx..... let the big boys 
watch me go by. 

Have a great day,
 
 
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 



To: 4sqrp@...
From: aldenmcduffie@...
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 17:36:12 -0500
Subject: [4sqrp] A matter of definition.............

 
Is QRP strictly 5W out to an antenna with no gain?

If I use 5W and a vertical, then is it still QRP?

If I use 5W and a beam, then is it still QRP?

I would think that 5W of radiated power would define QRP?

unc Phil, W0XI


Re: A matter of definition.............

Charlie Vest
 

Phil, I have been operating QRP for nearly 50 years now, and to make a TRUE level playing field, you are exactly right, on what I think constitutes QRP and that is the 5 watts radiated power.

Unfortunately that has never been a very popular view even among the QRP crowd.

There doesn't really seem to be any consistent standard. I always have to check the rules for each contest or event, to see what I am up against, since I stick to the 5 watts radiated power.

It certainly would be nice to see a consistent standard across the board for all of the events. I would abide by what the majority says, just make it a standard !!

Just my own personal opinion.

Charlie, W5COV


On 4/25/2014 5:36 PM, Phil Anderson wrote:
 

Is QRP strictly 5W out to an antenna with no gain?

If I use 5W and a vertical, then is it still QRP?

If I use 5W and a beam, then is it still QRP?

I would think that 5W of radiated power would define QRP?

unc Phil, W0XI





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A matter of definition.............

Phil Anderson
 

Is QRP strictly 5W out to an antenna with no gain?

If I use 5W and a vertical, then is it still QRP?

If I use 5W and a beam, then is it still QRP?

I would think that 5W of radiated power would define QRP?

unc Phil, W0XI


4SQRP Cyclone-40 review in the K9YA Telegraph E-zine.

ka0ncr
 

Hi 4-Staters!


I thought that I would pass along that I saw a very good review of the Cyclone-40 in the K9YA

Telegraph E-zine.


For those of you that are interested in reading it and do not yet subscribe, you can subscribe

at      http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/k9ya_telegraph


Its a monthly E-zine put out FREE in .PDF format for all who subscribe.  For the most part

it is not a "techy" e-zine for the most part, but gives more of the human side of radio and history. They ask that

you don't share the .pdf so that they can tell how many are reading it via the downloads.

They send a link to the current month's issue to those subscribed and you download it.


Otherwise I would have put the link in here, but they request that we don't, for the above reasons.

You can unsubscribe at any time from the e-zine, if you don't like it..

but since you only get 1 - email a month,  with the current months LINK,

it should not clog up your mail box to much!  


73 - Arnie KA0NCR


Re: ???? STUCK KEYER????

Dale Putnam
 

It's off/gone now.. hope it didn't cook a defenseless Tx...
and yes.. I could a made a Q with that strength sig.. 
for about 4 - 5 hours... maybe more..


Have a great day,
 
 
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 



To: 4sqrp@...; daleputnam@...
From: jgoodsell@...
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 13:51:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] ???? STUCK KEYER????

 
I might know which idiot did that and I'm sure he apologizes!

The positives are that his freq display agrees with yours and he knows his signal gets as far as Wyoming!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Device

Dale Putnam wrote:

>While checking into the morning net with Terry, I heard what sounds like a stuck keyer.. on 7.12188 and it is still there. over an hour later. Just wondering if I am the only one to hear this?
>
>Have a great day,
>
>
>--... ...--
>Dale - WC7S in Wy
>
>
>


Re: ???? STUCK KEYER????

Jg
 

I might know which idiot did that and I'm sure he apologizes!

The positives are that his freq display agrees with yours and he knows his signal gets as far as Wyoming!


Sent from my Verizon Wireless Device

Dale Putnam <daleputnam@hotmail.com> wrote:

While checking into the morning net with Terry, I heard what sounds like a stuck keyer.. on 7.12188 and it is still there. over an hour later. Just wondering if I am the only one to hear this?

Have a great day,


--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy



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Larry E Everitt <larryeeveritt@...>
 


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Re: ???? STUCK KEYER????

WA0ITP
 

Tnx for the checkin Dale,  I didnt hear the stuck keyer on this end, maybe others have tho.



On 4/24/2014 9:22 AM, Dale Putnam wrote:
While checking into the morning net with Terry, I heard what sounds like a stuck keyer.. on 7.12188  and it is still there. 
over an hour later. 
  Just wondering if I am the only one to hear this? 

Have a great day,
 
 
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 

-- 
72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com


???? STUCK KEYER????

Dale Putnam
 

While checking into the morning net with Terry, I heard what sounds like a stuck keyer.. on 7.12188  and it is still there. 
over an hour later. 
  Just wondering if I am the only one to hear this? 

Have a great day,
 
 
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 


Thurs Morning Net

WA0ITP
 

Very good net this morning, thanks to all who made it thru the QRN,  Glad to have first timers KI4ZUQ and KA9DVX check in.  Nick, WA5BDU checked in wth his HW-8 running abt 2W, way to go Nick.  QRN was a little ruff here but not nearly as loud as last night.  Thanks again and hope to hear you all again next week.


-- 
72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com


RMRc 14.0625 at 2200z today

Dale Putnam
 

Drop in at your speed, and practice a bit of cw.. with your friends and neighbors.

Have a great day,
 
 
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 


Thurs Morn Net

WA0ITP
 

Noisy but doable on this end. I have a window between bands of showers.

Hope to hear some checkins.

--
72 WA�ITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com


Re: 4sqrp

Wayne Dillon
 

Bill,
When a December storm brought down my big outside doublet (176' wingspan) I needed to get an antenna up that would at least work on 40 and 20. Condx outside were not conducive to to rebuilding the outside antenna so I decided that something in the attic would have to suffice. I had on hand a 1/2 size G5RV which was slated to perform /P duties so I pressed it into service in the attic. It runs at ridge height the entire length of the roofspace (the house is 50' long) with a few inches dangling down at each end. There's about 15 feet of coax from the bottom of the 300 ohm line to the shack. It will go on 40 (7.122) 20 (14.06) 15 (21.06) and 10 (28.06) with the FT920's internal ASTU doing the work. The internal tuner does no and will not tune anything lower than 7.110 but it will "go" on the other bands over a reasonably broad bandwidth.
Strange thing is the KX3's internal ASTU will cope with 40m across the band as will the FT817/Z-817 combo.
The FT920 is set up to run at 5 watts on 40 but will go to just below 1/2 watt on all bands. I am constantly amazed at the antennas performance. It does work well but I don't know why! I get consistently good RST reportsfromall over. The down side is that it will not "go" on 80 the way it's currently configured. If I tied the coax center and shield together  and fed it through a manual ASTU then it might but quite honestly I'm having way too much fun on 40, 20 and 15.
So, there you have it. I feel blessed to have such a great performing antenna in such a mediocre installation. I am planning the rebuild of the outside antenna later in the summer but I will not discard the "Attic 1/2 size", it's working too darned well.
Thanks for the check-ins last night, it was good to hear you and your check-in on the late net was an honest 579 but peaking at 599. Nice!
72/3 es God Bless de Wayne - KC0PMH


On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 6:29 AM, dekle <dekle@...> wrote:
 



Wayne,
 
Describe your attic antenna to me. I think I need one.
 
Bill
KV6Z
 
----- Original Message -----
To: 4sqrp@... ; A
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] Re: 4sqrp

 

You're welcome AJ. Noise was at times only 20 over 9 mostly is was abt 40 over 9, oh well I guess summer condx are here. I was running the "full gallon" (5 watts) last evening and my attic antenna still amazes me.
Thanks and I look forward to hearing you better next week.
72/3 es God BLess de Wayne- KC0PMH


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, <email4utoo@...> wrote:
 

Wayne , thanks for your patients hang'in  there with me to QSL my check in .Was a tough Net to handle,you had a pretty decent signal, Appreciate it ," AJ"Avrum  ,(yah my Nick name ), KF5ZYB




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Jesus came to pay a debt He didn't owe because we owe a debt we cannot pay...

The Lord bless you and keep you
The Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you
The Lord lift up his contenance upon you and give you peace.

God Bless from Wayne Dillon - KC0PMH

Joshua 24:14-15
2 Cor 5:17
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http://www.qsl.net/kc0pmh/   Under construction but please visit anyway.
 
QRP -  EFFICIENCY AND SKILL, NOT POWER. 
 
I'm British by birth but American by CHOICE!

Jesus came to pay a debt He didn't owe because we owe a debt we cannot pay...

The Lord bless you and keep you
The Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you
The Lord lift up his contenance upon you and give you peace.

God Bless from Wayne Dillon - KC0PMH

Joshua 24:14-15
2 Cor 5:17
1 Jn 2:17
 

4 State QRP Group NCS - 40m & 160m
4SQRP #95
FPQRP #342 (Flying Pigs QRP Club)
NAQCC # 0759
QRP-ARCI #11505
SKCC #1155T
SOC #848
30MDG#1176
NEQRP #693
GORC #192
DMC (Digital Modes Club) # 06686

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