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Brutus Bash tailgate items..

ka0ncr
 

Hello, 4SQRP group,

I am planning on being at the Brutus Bash, and will have available for sale several
kits that I don't see myself getting around to building any time soon.
I promised a few weeks ago that I would put up a list of the stuff that I will be
bringing for the "tail gateing"..

I would like to have these go to someone who will be able to put these kits together
and to some good use. They will be priced less than I paid for them, so it should
be a good deal for those that attend the Brutus Bash!  Prices will be listed at the bash..
If they don't sell at the bash, I will post them here again after the bash.

What I will have for sale...- These are kits,  in the original  bags/boxes...
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1 KD1JV  75 Meter SSB/CW  Survivor kit  with mic    http://www.qrpkits.com/survivor.html

1  MMR 40 SSB/CW kit with case   -                http://www.qrpkits.com/mmr40.html

1 SMK-2  40M CW tranceiver kit                         http://www.qrpkits.com/smk2.html

1 BiTx 20 with case and digital dial readout.   -     http://www.qrpkits.com/bitx20a.html

1 BiTx 20 with digital dial, but no case. (at the time the cases were an optional item)

1 Balanced line tuner -        http://www.qrpkits.com/blt_plus.html

1  SLT  Switched longwire antenna tuner.  --   http://www.qrpkits.com/sltplus.html

4 NorCal  FCC-1   kits..  ---   http://www.norcalqrp.org/fcc1.htm

2  NorCal  FCC-2  kits    --     http://www.norcalqrp.org/fcc2.htm.

1  SWL  PSK-30  kit    - http://smallwonderlabs.com/swl_psk31.htm

1 KA7EXM - HF/VHF/UHF digital power meter - kitted by KANGA - Here's the
write up in QEX - http://www.ka7exm.net/pic_power/ProjectNotes/x.pdf


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Thats it for now! 
See you at the Brutus Bash!

73 - Arnie KA0NCR


Re: Sept QRP Banner is online

David Bixler <qrp@...>
 

On 09/01/2013 08:26 PM, Walter - K5EST wrote:
GE 4sqrp'ers, the September edition of the Ozark QRP Banner
is now online.
Outstanding issue guys, full of interesting topics. I found the 40 meter propagation study and antenna article by Uncle Phil to be very timely as I'm been thinking about ways to improve my signal on the 7.122 nets.

Good job! Thank you to Walter and all the authors.

73, Dave W0CH


Sept QRP Banner is online

Walter - K5EST
 

GE 4sqrp'ers, the September edition of the Ozark QRP Banner
is now online. Easy access is 


Enjoy your weekend! And Big Brutus HamOut is 12 days away.......!!!

72....Walter - K5EST
Editor - Ozark QRP Banner




Re: KMPW

glene77is@...
 

Julio, 

Here are some collected KMPW writings, collected from the internet. 



*(: Ham_QRP_CW-v-SSB_&_Miles-per-Watt_Records_130831.txt

 

Concerning "Miles-per-Watt" and comparing CW vs SSB

Many of the records cited are the One-Way type records, 

not the Ham Radio Two-way QSO type record. 


Records are presented to the public as is they are scientifically accurate, 

ignoring, usually, the tremendous gain afforded by Beam Antennas. 

If two distance records are claimed, same frequency, same power, same mode, 

1) using a Vertical 

2) using a 10-Element Yagi Beam, 

then those are not comparable records. 

These are not talking about the same kind of Distance Record.


Ham Radio Distance Records do not take into consideration 

the dB Gain on Transmit / Receive Antenna Systems. 


NASA deep space missions use very Hi-Gain Antenna systems. 

NASA uses antenna systems for Transmit and Receive at NASA 

which have a total gain of 100,000,000 (80 db referenced to a dipole). 


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 


Consider the following quoted published reports of ONE-WAY records:


*** One-Way with Hi-Gain antennas 

According to Rich Arland, K7YHA (now K7SZ), in World Radio magazine (Feb. 1990, year 19, issue 89, pp. 46-47) the long-distance low power record is held by KL7YU and W7BVV using one micro-watt over a distance of 1,650 mile 10-meter path between Alaska and Oregon in 1970.

This is the equivalent of 1.6 billion miles per watt.


*** One-Way with Hi-Gain antennas 

Another fact to consider: NASA's deep space missions typically achieve mile-per-watt ratings of more than 500 million miles. One example was the 8-watt signal from Pioneer 10*. At a power level equal to that of a night light (or is that Knightlite?) the craft's signal traveled 6.8 billion miles (11 billion km) to earth for a rating of 850 million miles per watt, or about half of the KL7YU/W7BVV record.


The Hi-Gain Antennas used for Transmit and Receive at NASA 

may have a total gain of 100,000,000 (80 db referenced to a dipole). 


Launched March 2, 1972 from Cape Kennedy for a two-year mission to Jupiter. The probe is now more than twice the distance from the sun as Pluto, traveling at 28,000 mph in the general direction of the first magnitude star Aldebaran.


*** One-Way Beacon 

January 2, 2005 - New London, NC - Bill Tippett, W4ZV, of New London, NC 

correctly copied code word OMAHA (on CW) from the N2XE beacon transmitting 

with a peak carrier power of .0000406 watts at 3.5455 MHz 

on the 80 meter Amateur Radio band. 

Bill confirmed reception of the beacon at 2328Z, January 2, 2005. 

The precise distance between the two stations is 546.8 miles, 

establishing Bill's record reception distance at 13,467,980 miles per watt. 

Tippett used a Ten Tec Orion Transceiver with a 1000 foot Beverage antenna 

(named after Dr. Harold Beverage who invented it in the 1920s).


The N2XE beacon transmits from an Elecraft K1 (heavily attenuated) 

using an 80 meter off-center fed dipole, 45 feet AGL (above ground level). 

The beacon peak carrier output was measured using an Agilent 8563EC 

Spectrum Analyzer at 40.6 uW (40 millionths of a watt). The beacon 

transmits a unique code word each evening. Receiving stations are 

required to correctly copy the code word in their report. The word 

is published the following morning.


The N2XE Beacon Project was started in December, 2004 by (NAQCC member) 

Paul Stroud, AA4XX, Raleigh, NC and John Ceccherelli, N2XE, Wappingers Falls, 

NY with the goal of having a little fun 

and to go where no diminutive signal has gone before. 

Beacon times and frequencies are posted daily on the QRP-L reflector 

www.kkn.net/archives/html/QRP-L. Tests continued on 160, 80 and 40 meters 

through the end of February 2005.






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http://www.southgatearc.org/news/october2005/world_qrp_records.htm


World QRP records


Hi all,


I've done a quick search for world QRP records and I've found the following. Can anyone say if these records have been broken?


The main reason I ask is that the SP5ANU 500uw beacon on 3.588 MHz has received two independent 549 (peak) reports which would signal that at least the 3.5mhz record could be soon broken.


Records:

3.5mhz 27uw N2XE-

http://mysite.verizon.net/n2xe/id2.html


1uw record 28mhz 

According to Rich Arland, K7YHA (now K7SZ), in World Radio magazine (Feb. 1990, year 19, issue 89, pp. 46-47) the long-distance low power record is held by KL7YU and W7BVV using one micro-watt over a distance of 1,650 mile 10-meter path between Alaska and Oregon in 1970. http://www.arm-tek.net/~yoel/qrpworks.html


While the "absolute" world record seems to be 720nw on 28mhz

http://www.e-discounter.net/qrparci/messages/6063.html


A few recordings can be heard on

http://users.vnet.net/btippett/topband_sounds.htm


73's

Richard G6GGE/SO5GB

Email: translations <at> qdnet.pl






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http://science.slashdot.org

/story/05/01/05/2246205/ham-operator-sets-new-miles-per-watt-world-record

January 05, 2005


Ham Operator Sets New Miles-Per-Watt World Record


Posted by timothy on Wednesday January 05, 2005 @07:00PM 

from the bend-it-like-an-ionospheric-layer dept.

DoctorPepper writes


"A ham radio operator in New London, North Carolina correctly copied an 80 meter CW beacon in Wappingers Falls, New York, a distance of 546.8 miles. The kicker is, the beacon station, an Elecraft K1, was putting out 40.6 uW (40.6 millionths of a Watt) -- which works out to 13,467,980 miles per watt!"


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New Miles Per Watt Record

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Posted by:  John Pawlicki, K8AG

Posted On:  01/06/05

Subject:  New Miles Per Watt Record


Message Posted: 


Slashdot posted an article about a new miles per watt record. Too bad they are calling Ham Radio "Horribly Outmoded". Then again, another distro of Linux is just what everybody needs.


Link:  Slashdot Science Site New Miles Per Watt

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Re: New Miles Per Watt Record   Mike Czuhajewski   Posted on 01/07/05 (1)

Re: New Miles Per Watt Record   WA6YPE   Posted on 02/11/05 (0)

Re: New Miles Per Watt Record   John W2AGN   


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Re: New Miles Per Watt Record

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Posted by:  Mike Czuhajewski

Posted On:  01/07/05

Subject:  Re: New Miles Per Watt Record


Message Posted: 


    In Reply to: New Miles Per Watt Record posted by John Pawlicki, K8AG on 01/06/05

With all due respect, since it is quite an achievement in any case, the 13+ million MPW figure is not a world record, or at least not the overall record. It may certainly be a record for the band it was on, though.


Back in the late 60s someone set a record of 1.6 billion (with a B) miles per watt, and that fact figured prominently for some time in the advertising of the company that made the antenna used on the QRP end :-)


More recently, in 1992 [or 1990?] K7IRK in Texas and WB8ELK in NH set a record of 2.133 billion miles per watt on 10 meters. K7IRK was running a Fireball transmitter (described earlier in 73 magazine) and had it attenuated down to 0.72 microwatts, or 720 nanowatts. The path was 1536 miles. (I seem to recall that either this achievement and/or the Fireball transmitter was the cover story of 73 magazine at one time, but I can't verify that. I know I used to have a copy of it but was unable to find it today. My radio room is a disaster, but it will surface eventually.)


In case anyone has some ancient QRP Quarterlys around the house, you can read about it in the April 1993 issue. We reprinted a column which discussed it in the March 1992 issue of Radio Fun magazine (published by W2NSD/1, probably long since shut down). I think there may be a typo in some of the dates in the article, which I'll try to track down.


BTW, the article also says that there was a third person involved at the time. WA6YPE in California was also participating and copied the K7IRK signal down to 1.56 microwatts, for 840 million miles per watt.


So, recent reception of the N2XE beacon was very possibly the record for the band, regrettably not an overall world record, but dang, 13 million is still 13 million!


73 and queue our pea DE WA8MCQ


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Re: New Miles Per Watt Record   WA6YPE   Posted on 02/11/05 (0)

Re: New Miles Per Watt Record

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Posted by:  WA6YPE

Posted On:  02/11/05

Subject:  Re: New Miles Per Watt Record


Message Posted: 

    In Reply to: Re: New Miles Per Watt Record posted by Mike Czuhajewski on 01/07/05


Yep you got it right, from Glendora, CA I copied Bob K7IRK in Palestine, TX at 1.56 microwatts and was listening just a few minutes later when WB8ELK in NH copied Bob at .72 microwatts out. My antenna was a mini-quad at 12 ft. and receiver was a Yaesu FT-767.


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Re: New Miles Per Watt Record

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Posted by:  John W2AGN

Posted On:  01/06/05

Subject:  Re: New Miles Per Watt Record


Message Posted: 

    In Reply to: New Miles Per Watt Record posted by John Pawlicki, K8AG on 01/06/05


What I can't believe is the whiners actually posting complaints that they can't hear it, so it's unfair. The same crybabies that are always whining about not being able to compete with the "big beams," etc.

Next thing is one of the QRP-Lawyers will file with the ACLU that his clients "self-esteem" was damaged and he wants to collect.








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One reason the NAQCC is a QRP CW club

is because QRP and CW go together so well.

CW takes up about 100Hz of spectrum

whereas SSB uses about 2000Hz.

The average power density for CW,

given the above values,

is 1 Watt/Hz and for SSB .05 Watts/Hz.


So if we compare the two modes

we could say that gain in using CW over SSB

is Gain(dB)=10*log(1/.05)

which is equal to 13dB


What does this mean?

It means that

5 Watts of CW is as efficient as 100 Watts of SSB.

Just a little food for thought.


end quote.


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 


From KK4LPG, Glen Ellis, QRZ.com. 

My QRP best contact was my first QSO after 50 years. 

On 2013, March 17, 1700 EST, on 20M 14.041, between WY4J and KK4LPG, 862 miles.

KK4LPG antenna was an end-fed telephone cable strung through my attic. 

WY4J antenna was a 3-Element beam. 

My 1W and SWR 8:1 produces an "Effective Power Output" of 0.2 Watts. 

So, my little .2 Watt for 862 miles is equivalent to 4310 miles per watt !

My little QRP contact is near the bottom of the bucket.

But what a surprising bucket to be in !


Since that time, March 2013, I have changed transmitters to the HW8, 

and changed antennas to a 150' LongWire up at 15' .

The original installation is no longer available.   

When the QRP SWR/Power Meter arrives, I'll be able to 

1) adjust the HW8 to exactly 1 W ouput , 

2) match SWR exactly, 

3) count the miles per QRZ/Google,    down to the nearest 100 Foot mark ! 


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 

 



--- In 4sqrp@..., <glene77is@...> wrote:

AK4VL, Julio Jimenez, 

You took the initiative.  Thanks.    

Have a Ham Club meeting in a week, and have something to show !

With the Long-Wire of 150' at 15', 

the power pulled from the HW8  

should be in the 1 - 2 W range on 20M, now.  

Contacts are generally in the 750 to 1500 mile range on 20M. 

Probably like everybody else on 20M. 

Check my log at QRZ.com for public record.  

I Only try for the S2 - S3 signals ... that is where the 'fun' is ! 


I get too tied up in measuring everything in the world.

Worked good in colleg, but slows down real life. 




KMPW

glene77is@...
 

AK4VL, Julio Jimenez, 

You took the initiative.  Thanks.    

Have a Ham Club meeting in a week, and have something to show !

With the Long-Wire of 150' at 15', 

the power pulled from the HW8  

should be in the 1 - 2 W range on 20M, now.  

Contacts are generally in the 750 to 1500 mile range on 20M. 

Probably like everybody else on 20M. 

Check my log at QRZ.com for public record.  

I Only try for the S2 - S3 signals ... that is where the 'fun' is ! 


I get too tied up in measuring everything in the world.

Worked good in colleg, but slows down real life. 




Re: [4S-Link] Hamlog iPhone app

WA0ITP
 

I believe it is just a standard stero mini plug. What makes it 4S-Link specific
is that a tone is put on the right audio channel and placed on the plug's ring
(at the iDevice) The 4S-Link rectifies it to switch the rigs ptt line. Works the
same way with Fldigi, but maybe not with all programs, so other PTT line keying
methods/cables must be employed. I believe alternate cabling methods can be
found in the messages on the the 4S-Link Yahoo Group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4s-link
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Real radios weigh less than a pound.
I love this radio stuff !
72 WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Caulkins" <caulktel@gmail.com>
To: <4S-Link@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [4S-Link] Hamlog iPhone app


|I think I will build my 4s-Link this weekend and play around with it. Was there
a special cable used for the iPhone or just a standard stereo mini plug.
|
| Joel Caulkins
| KB6QVI
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| Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: 40 M Net

Phil Anderson
 

Hey Johnny,

Sure was noisy. I barely worked u again, I think by ground wave.
Also heard calling u: KD5KJ, K9ZTV and W0CH. 

72, unc PHIL, #13, W0XI

Johnny wrote:


Gm Group:

Well my local QRN was strong again, so check ins were thin last night!

7:30
KV6Z Bill
W0XI Phil
K1EDG Ed
W0CH Dave


8:30
W0CH Dave
KV6Z Bill
Thanks guys 72
Johnny AC0BQ

Sent from my iPad


40 M Net

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Gm Group:

Well my local QRN was strong again, so check ins were thin last night!

7:30 
KV6Z Bill 
W0XI Phil
K1EDG Ed
W0CH Dave


8:30 
W0CH Dave
KV6Z Bill
Thanks guys 72
Johnny AC0BQ

Sent from my iPad


Re: 80M CW Net Chekins Typo

WA0ITP
 

Dave's call is W0CH of course. 
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Real radios weigh less than a pound.
I love this radio stuff !
72   WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: WA0ITP
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 4:48 AM
Subject: [4sqrp] 80M CW Net Chekins

80 was pretty good last night, checkins were strong and easily worked. The band seems to be picking up as Fall approaches.  Making it in were:
 
N0YJ            Bert      Silver Lake, KS
K9ZTV         Kent     Jeff City, MO
WA5BDU     NIck      Russellville, AR
W0XCH       Dave     Seneca, MO
 
Thanks guys, and to others who tried.  cu next week

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Real radios weigh less than a pound.
I love this radio stuff !
72   WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com
 

 


80M CW Net Chekins

WA0ITP
 

80 was pretty good last night, checkins were strong and easily worked. The band seems to be picking up as Fall approaches.  Making it in were:
 
N0YJ            Bert      Silver Lake, KS
K9ZTV         Kent     Jeff City, MO
WA5BDU     NIck      Russellville, AR
W0XCH       Dave     Seneca, MO
 
Thanks guys, and to others who tried.  cu next week

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Real radios weigh less than a pound.
I love this radio stuff !
72   WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com
 
 
 


Wed. night PSK net checkins

Virgil R. Hammond <n0tgr@...>
 

Wed.night PSK  checkins:
K6QKL  Chuck, Fairview Hts, IL
AC0WZ  Dan, Fulton, MO
KD5KJ Jim, Lakeview, AR
Good band, tnx fer  checkins.
N0TGR Dick, Augusta, KS  NCS


Wed Nite Nets

WA0ITP
 

The Four State QRP Comfortable nets meet each Wednesday night
beginning at 7:30 PM CDT, 0030z.

If we have to QSY, I like to move up, Wayne likes to move down,
and Dick doesn't have to move much at all.

Add anything to the exchange that you wish, temp rig, ant, etc.
Checking into all, sessions is encouraged.

7:30 CDT 0030z ... 40M CW Net on 7122,  AC0BQ NCS
8:00 CDT 0100z ... 80M CW Net on 3564,  WA0ITP NCS.
8:30 CDT 0130z ... 40M CW Net on 7122,  AC0BQ NCS
9:00 CDT 0200z ... 80M PSK Net on 3580.5,  N0TGR NCS

All are welcome!  After the nets, a list of checkins will be
posted on the Four State reflector.
 
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Real radios weigh less than a pound.
I love this radio stuff !
72   WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com
 
 
 


Re: RMRC on 14.0625 at 2200 and

 

Nothing heard on 20M here outside of Seattle on my 79ft random wire sloper. I did hear one station working you on 20M. Heard you well and worked you on 40M.

Bob AF9W

--- In 4sqrp@yahoogroups.com, Dale Putnam <daleputnam@...> wrote:

and immediately following, the second net will start up on 7.0325.These are slow speed nets that are meant for providing the checkings withthe oppurtunity to practice cw at their own speed. I'll be looking for you at 2200z and after that net again on 7.0315
Thanks,
Have a great day,


--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy


Re: 5SQRP?

Glen <glene77is@...>
 

to: John AADVE

On 08/21/2013 12:19 PM, John R. Lonigro wrote:
"""maybe the name should be changed to 4CQRP -
4 Corners of the World QRP Club!"""
John AA0VE

Right On John,
but the name would then be "4 C W QRP "
4CWQRP ( 4 Corners of the World Q R P )
That might put this discussion back in the bull pen again.

Glen KK4LPG, still Chasing S2 contacts from Tennessee .


Re: RMRC on 14.0625 at 2200 and

Dale Putnam
 

Yepper, lets me get done with school first


Have a great day,
 
 
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 



To: 4sqrp@...
From: rodenkirch_llc@...
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:36:02 -0600
Subject: RE: [4sqrp] RMRC on 14.0625 at 2200 and

 

4:00 PM our time on 20 meters?  I'll be there..just for something to do!



From: daleputnam@...
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:28:04 -0600
Subject: [4sqrp] RMRC on 14.0625 at 2200 and

 

and immediately following, the second net will start up on 7.0325.
These are slow speed nets that are meant for providing the checkings with
the oppurtunity to practice cw at their own speed. 
I'll be looking for you at 2200z and after that net again on 7.0315

Thanks, 

Have a great day,
 
 
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 



Re: RMRC on 14.0625 at 2200 and

James Rodenkirch
 

4:00 PM our time on 20 meters?  I'll be there..just for something to do!



From: daleputnam@...
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:28:04 -0600
Subject: [4sqrp] RMRC on 14.0625 at 2200 and

 

and immediately following, the second net will start up on 7.0325.
These are slow speed nets that are meant for providing the checkings with
the oppurtunity to practice cw at their own speed. 
I'll be looking for you at 2200z and after that net again on 7.0315

Thanks, 

Have a great day,
 
 
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 


RMRC on 14.0625 at 2200 and

Dale Putnam
 

and immediately following, the second net will start up on 7.0325.
These are slow speed nets that are meant for providing the checkings with
the oppurtunity to practice cw at their own speed. 
I'll be looking for you at 2200z and after that net again on 7.0315

Thanks, 

Have a great day,
 
 
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 


Skeeter Hunt 2013 Results

Larry Makoski <w2lj@...>
 

The results for the 2013 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt are in!

So far just the basic spreadsheet is available for view. There were so many soap box comments (with photos) that it's going to take me to the end of the week to publish those.

But the scores can be viewed at http://www.qsl.net/w2lj/index%20page%205

Here's a summary of the top scores:

1st Place Overall - Sean KX9X - 17,024 points
2nd Place Overall - Gene N5GW - 17,000 points
3rd Place Overall - George KX0R - 11,700 points
4th Place Overall - Rick NK9G - 11,444 points
5th Place Overall - Mid-MO ARC N0SS - 10,276 points

Top Multi-Op Station - Mid-MO ARC N0SS - 10,276 points

Top Multi Multi Station - NAQCC N3AQC - 10,160 points

Top SSB Station - a tie between Joe KK4NWC and Lloyd KC5FM

Top Mixed Mode Station - Bill W9LR

Thank you so much to all who participated! The number of Skeeters, and log summary submissions were well above last year's numbers - this bodes well for the NJQRP Skeeter Hunt for 2014! Hope to hear your Bzzzzzz next year!

Again, thanks to all who joined in on the fun, and special thanks to the NJQRP for their sponsorship!

72 de Larry W2LJ


Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

Rick Bennett
 

For what it is worth, I have never adopted that practice either.  It seems rather unnecessary.  In a casual QSO the other operator will receive my power during the QSO and it may or may not be important.  The most fun is when the other operator is also QRP or actually reduces to QRP to match in kind.  But a good QSO is good regardless.

I would think it inappropriate during a contest IMHO.  If a secondary suffix is required (aka operator out of Country) then it goes in the log.  Why complicate things with /QRP, /P, etc. during a contest?

My $.02

de KC0PET, Rick



From: "WA0ITP"
To: 4sqrp@...
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 10:04:40 PM
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] Appending /QRP in a contest

 

Ge Nate,

I agree and I don't append /qrp either, no need to imho.

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Real radios weigh less than a pound.
I love this radio stuff !
72 WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Bargmann" <n0nb@...>
To: "4SQRP mail list" <4sqrp@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: [4sqrp] Appending /QRP in a contest

| First off, please forgive my sort of a mini rant. ;-)
|
| I worked the Kansas QSO Party Saturday and part of this morning and
| being in Kansas I spent my time calling CQ since I had one of the 1x1
| calls. I know firsthand that QRP can be a fun challenge, in fact I am
| often pleasantly surprised by the results when I try it. However, I
| also understand that if I am answering a station calling CQ that, all
| things being equal, my QRP signal may be 13 or many more dB down. Yet,
| I see no reason to append /QRP to my call as it won't magically make my
| signal any stronger and it may well confuse the other op a bit, at least
| momentarily.
|
| During my calls I had a few answer with /QRP. All were FB copy so if
| they had not appended the extra characters I would not have known. It
| is also likely that I could not copy some stations running more power
| than me (I was running about 500 Watts during the event) that I could
| not copy due to band conditions, skip zone, etc.
|
| Perhaps the group thinks differently, but I see no useful reason to
| append /QRP. After all, no one goes around appending /QRO! No
| question, the QRP ranks include many skillful operators. At the other
| end of the QSO I'm also doing everything with my receiver and skills to
| pull out all the stations I can in a contest and when I cannot copy I'll
| ask for a repeat. Sometimes there is just no way to complete the QSO
| and, as I see it, appending /QRP isn't going to improve those
| conditions.
|
| Note that I'm not talking about mentioning the power level during a
| casual QSO. I'm talking about answering a running station in a contest
| with N0NB/QRP. What does the larger QRP community think of this
| practice?
|
| 72, de Nate >>
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Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

Dale Putnam
 

Just a thought, that the weekly FOXHUNTS, are a wonderful source of practice as to how to contest, run pileups, either from 
the pile or the up side... and all from the qrp advantage. If you are a practiced FOXHUNT specialist, then the practice of /qrp  is mute.
(and should be muted) If not.. check it out.. it is a bunch of fun.. and you are exposed to some VERY good ops. 

There is nothing, like a weekly education.



Have a great day,
 
 
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy