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Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

Nate Bargmann
 

* On 2013 25 Aug 22:34 -0500, Todd F. Carney / K7TFC wrote:
I've often though that if I'm ever the center of a pileup (doubtful) that
I'd take QSOs from QRPers first, if I could hear them. In fact, I'd take
them in this order: QRPers, mobile, barefoot, and then, and only then, the
big guns with full-sized beams at 60ft and legal limit.
That could work if you're in total control of the order the stations
call you. Often one is not and the op either just works whomever is
heard loudest, or asks the callers to standby to allow certain callers
an opportunity to be heard.

I'll dream on. My vision of utopia is about as likely as anyone else's.
I wound up on the "wrong" end of a pileup by being a part of a special
event operation back in December. It was enlightening, although
certainly not to the level of a major DXpedition, for example. I could
have probably employed some better techniques when it became five deep
or so, but I chose to work everyone as fast as I could. Hopefully some
ops were patient and stuck around. Being on the receiving end is not as
rare an opportunity as you might imagine.

72, de Nate >>

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possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."

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Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

Nate Bargmann
 

* On 2013 26 Aug 00:21 -0500, Dale Putnam wrote:
I agree Nate, the additional time wasted for no return is not
acceptable to a contestor who is serious. Adding that imparts no info
necessary to the Q, buys nothing, adds nothing, and takes up time that
could be used productively. In fact, it uses time when condx are good,
and when condx are bad can cause a whole lot more trouble. Many
contests will find me tuning right past those that practice that ...
If they want do that, I don't have to help then along.
Thanks for the strong reinforcement, Dale.

I suppose the contrarian in me would send /QRO should I have find a
"running" station appending /QRP. ;-)

Somehow, this practice could be called into question by use of the
Amateur's Code. :-) Ahh, yes, "The Amateur is Progressive...He keeps
his station abreast of science. It is well built and efficient. His
operating practice is above reproach." Seems the last sentence sums
this up rather well.

72, de Nate >>

--

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

Nate Bargmann
 

* On 2013 26 Aug 15:32 -0500, Jay Bromley wrote:
Another thought, If one is using LOTW, you would have to have an account set
up for yourcall/qrp. Otherwise they will not match up. Best just to use
your call issued by the FCC, IMHO.
Excellent point, Jay.

I knew one of the online logbooks had that restriction, I wasn't certain
which. Note that I did not log the /QRP just as /M or whatever is
rather meaningless for our QSO party. OTOH, I did get one that was /9
as I recall and I did log it that way. Go figure. Certainly, had
someone sent W1/VE3xxx, or some such, I would have logged it that way.

72, de Nate >>

--

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

Jay Bromley <jayw5jay@...>
 

Another thought, If one is using LOTW, you would have to have an account set
up for yourcall/qrp. Otherwise they will not match up. Best just to use
your call issued by the FCC, IMHO.

73 de w5jay/jay..

-----Original Message-----
From: 4sqrp@yahoogroups.com [mailto:4sqrp@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Putnam
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:21 AM
To: Nate Bargmann ; 4sqrp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] Appending /QRP in a contest

I agree Nate, the additional time wasted for no return is not acceptable to
a contestor who is serious. Adding that imparts no info necessary to the Q,
buys nothing, adds nothing, and takes up time that could be used
productively. In fact, it uses time when condx are good, and when condx are
bad can cause a whole lot more trouble. Many contests will find me tuning
right past those that practice that ... If they want do that, I don't have
to help then along.
Have a great day,
Dale - WC7S

-----Original Message-----
From: Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 02:54:26
To: <4sqrp@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [4sqrp] Appending /QRP in a contest

 



First off, please forgive my sort of a mini rant. ;-)

I worked the Kansas QSO Party Saturday and part of this morning and being in
Kansas I spent my time calling CQ since I had one of the 1x1 calls. I know
firsthand that QRP can be a fun challenge, in fact I am often pleasantly
surprised by the results when I try it. However, I also understand that if I
am answering a station calling CQ that, all things being equal, my QRP
signal may be 13 or many more dB down. Yet, I see no reason to append /QRP
to my call as it won't magically make my signal any stronger and it may well
confuse the other op a bit, at least momentarily.

During my calls I had a few answer with /QRP. All were FB copy so if they
had not appended the extra characters I would not have known. It is also
likely that I could not copy some stations running more power than me (I was
running about 500 Watts during the event) that I could not copy due to band
conditions, skip zone, etc.

Perhaps the group thinks differently, but I see no useful reason to append
/QRP. After all, no one goes around appending /QRO! No question, the QRP
ranks include many skillful operators. At the other end of the QSO I'm also
doing everything with my receiver and skills to pull out all the stations I
can in a contest and when I cannot copy I'll ask for a repeat. Sometimes
there is just no way to complete the QSO and, as I see it, appending /QRP
isn't going to improve those conditions.

Note that I'm not talking about mentioning the power level during a casual
QSO. I'm talking about answering a running station in a contest with
N0NB/QRP. What does the larger QRP community think of this practice?

72, de Nate >>

--

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The
pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us




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Re: Pileups

cornhusker
 

Plasma set displays dim rapidly with age...they look superb until they are a year or two old. Most have less than 50% brightness after 4 to 5 yars. LCD sets don't dim like that.
Also plasma sets get very hot compared to LCD and draw 3-4x the power or more. The noise in plasma sets comes from the drivers energizing the pixels. As they dim the usrs often turn up the brightness causing even more RF noise.
73 de K0NEB

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From: ae5ka ;
To: <4sqrp@...>;
Subject: [4sqrp] Re: Pileups
Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 4:29:30 PM

 

I have a neighbor with a plasma TV. Bought one of those directional RFI finders to pinpoint the location, and the neighbor confirmed the culprit. I offered to buy him a replacement LCD TV, and showed him relevant FCC rules regarding harmful interference with a licensed station, but he refused saying the picture was too good on the plasma.... He did say I should just ask him to turn it off when I needed to do something important. Sigh.

Lately it seems to be gone, though. Maybe he finally got something newer.

Chip

Re: Pileups

random.path
 

I have a neighbor with a plasma TV. Bought one of those directional RFI finders to pinpoint the location, and the neighbor confirmed the culprit. I offered to buy him a replacement LCD TV, and showed him relevant FCC rules regarding harmful interference with a licensed station, but he refused saying the picture was too good on the plasma.... He did say I should just ask him to turn it off when I needed to do something important. Sigh.

Lately it seems to be gone, though. Maybe he finally got something newer.

Chip
Re: 5SQRP?

Larry Clement W2LAC
 

And I'm loving it from Long Island, NY.


-----Original Message-----
From: Julio Jimenez <ak4vl.qrp@...>
To: 4sqrp <4sqrp@...>; Rick Bennett
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 9:41 pm
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] 5SQRP?

 
Heck yeah!!  I'm loving 4SQRP all the way from the Tarheel State :-)

72
Julio

On Sunday, August 25, 2013, Rick Bennett wrote:
 
Thanks Ray, that is great.  The 4 states appear to be the right ones.  It looks like if we were to add a state it would be Texas, but in all seriousness why mess with the names, logos, etc.  I think (hope) everyone realizes that 4SQRP is open to anyone on the globe that shares our common interests.

de KC0PET, Rick

From: "Ray Cadmus" <rcadmus@...>
To: 4sqrp@..., "John R. Lonigro" <jonigro@...>
Cc: "AG1P - Ron" <ag1p@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:22:49 PM
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] 5SQRP?

 
For what it's worth - probably not much.  I have uploaded a file "4state.png" to the yahoo group files that shows the locations of the members as scattered around the contiguous states.  Unfortunately it does not show our several Alaskan friends.

The map is a screenshot of my personal web server where the map and markers are interactive -  showing call, name & city when clicked.  Sorry, my server is private - but I would be happy to provide the required files to anyone wanting to post them.

Regards,

ray    W0PFO

--

On 08/21/2013 12:19 PM, John R. Lonigro wrote:
 
Colorado isn't one of the 4 states to start with, is it?  Actually, the way the club is growing, maybe the name should be changed to 4CQRP - 4 Corners of the World QRP Club!

John AA0VE
Pileups

Jim Sheldon
 

Being a special event station (K0K) in the KS QSO Party generated a few pileups over the weekend - Used N1MM Logger and they were easy to handle.  Conditions were pretty poor on the only bands that were even partially open (40, 20 and 15 meters) I had to ignore a lot of weak signals and some of them may have been QRP guys but my closest neighbor was trying out a Plasma TV set and the noise that bugger generated pretty much closed down 80 and 40 except for the very strong signals in the evening and on Sunday, even 20 and 15 were clobbered by that thing! My apologies to those I couldn't copy through the garbage.   I got with him and offered to pay him NOT to buy one of them things.  Brought him over here and showed him the problems it created for me.  The FCC ought to ban them or make the manufacturers clean them up to the point they don't radiate.  I'm sure they are actually in violation of Part 15 "Incidental Radiator" interference levels.  
 
Fortunately my neighbor is a very reasonable person and since I don't bother any of his stereo or telephone equipment he figured he'd better not bother me - LOL.  He took it back to the store Sunday evening so hopefully I won't have another one show up somewhere within hearing distance.  I guess it even tore up a couple of scanners on the block from what I heard at the Sunday night block party.  
 
Jim - W0EB
Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

random.path
 

Hi Ted -

If you want to be the center of a pileup, do some SOTA activations! The pileups are there, but usually last only about 15-20 minutes until you've worked through them. Great fun, and I'm pretty sure you can find some good summits not too far from where you live!


Chip
AE5KA


On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Todd F. Carney / K7TFC <k7tfc@...> wrote:
 

I've often though that if I'm ever the center of a pileup (doubtful) that I'd take QSOs from QRPers first, if I could hear them. In fact, I'd take them in this order: QRPers, mobile, barefoot, and then, and only then, the big guns with full-sized beams at 60ft and legal limit. 

I'll dream on. My vision of utopia is about as likely as anyone else's.  

73,

Todd
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
K7TFC / Medford, Oregon, USA / CN82ni / UTC-7 (PDT)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:09 AM, <KB4QQJ@...> wrote:
 

Agreed. I don't recall ever appending /QRP. Contest or casual chat.
If it is one of the SKCC guys looking for 2x QRP award I'll mention my power. But never /QRP.
for that matter I'm always QRP from home  or mobile. I do QRO from my club in contests and events.
 
Randy_KB4QQJ
 
In a message dated 8/25/2013 11:03:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wa0itp@... writes:
 

Ge Nate,

I agree and I don't append /qrp either, no need to imho.

----------------------------------
Real radios weigh less than a pound.
I love this radio stuff !
72 WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Bargmann" <n0nb@...>
To: "4SQRP mail list" <4sqrp@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: [4sqrp] Appending /QRP in a contest

| First off, please forgive my sort of a mini rant. ;-)
|
| I worked the Kansas QSO Party Saturday and part of this morning and
| being in Kansas I spent my time calling CQ since I had one of the 1x1
| calls. I know firsthand that QRP can be a fun challenge, in fact I am
| often pleasantly surprised by the results when I try it. However, I
| also understand that if I am answering a station calling CQ that, all
| things being equal, my QRP signal may be 13 or many more dB down. Yet,
| I see no reason to append /QRP to my call as it won't magically make my
| signal any stronger and it may well confuse the other op a bit, at least
| momentarily.
|
| During my calls I had a few answer with /QRP. All were FB copy so if
| they had not appended the extra characters I would not have known. It
| is also likely that I could not copy some stations running more power
| than me (I was running about 500 Watts during the event) that I could
| not copy due to band conditions, skip zone, etc.
|
| Perhaps the group thinks differently, but I see no useful reason to
| append /QRP. After all, no one goes around appending /QRO! No
| question, the QRP ranks include many skillful operators. At the other
| end of the QSO I'm also doing everything with my receiver and skills to
| pull out all the stations I can in a contest and when I cannot copy I'll
| ask for a repeat. Sometimes there is just no way to complete the QSO
| and, as I see it, appending /QRP isn't going to improve those
| conditions.
|
| Note that I'm not talking about mentioning the power level during a
| casual QSO. I'm talking about answering a running station in a contest
| with N0NB/QRP. What does the larger QRP community think of this
| practice?
|
| 72, de Nate >>
|
| --
|
| "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
| possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
|
| Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
|
|
| ------------------------------------
|
| 4SQRP Website: http://4sqrp.com
| OzarkCon is coming April 4-5, 2014 in Branson, MO
| View Details at http://www.ozarkcon.com/index.phpYahoo! Groups Links
|
|
|



Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

Dale Putnam
 

I agree Nate, the additional time wasted for no return is not acceptable to a contestor who is serious. Adding that imparts no info necessary to the Q, buys nothing, adds nothing, and takes up time that could be used productively. In fact, it uses time when condx are good, and when condx are bad can cause a whole lot more trouble. Many contests will find me tuning right past those that practice that ... If they want do that, I don't have to help then along.
Have a great day,
Dale - WC7S

-----Original Message-----
From: Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 02:54:26
To: <4sqrp@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [4sqrp] Appending /QRP in a contest

 



First off, please forgive my sort of a mini rant. ;-)

I worked the Kansas QSO Party Saturday and part of this morning and
being in Kansas I spent my time calling CQ since I had one of the 1x1
calls. I know firsthand that QRP can be a fun challenge, in fact I am
often pleasantly surprised by the results when I try it. However, I
also understand that if I am answering a station calling CQ that, all
things being equal, my QRP signal may be 13 or many more dB down. Yet,
I see no reason to append /QRP to my call as it won't magically make my
signal any stronger and it may well confuse the other op a bit, at least
momentarily.

During my calls I had a few answer with /QRP. All were FB copy so if
they had not appended the extra characters I would not have known. It
is also likely that I could not copy some stations running more power
than me (I was running about 500 Watts during the event) that I could
not copy due to band conditions, skip zone, etc.

Perhaps the group thinks differently, but I see no useful reason to
append /QRP. After all, no one goes around appending /QRO! No
question, the QRP ranks include many skillful operators. At the other
end of the QSO I'm also doing everything with my receiver and skills to
pull out all the stations I can in a contest and when I cannot copy I'll
ask for a repeat. Sometimes there is just no way to complete the QSO
and, as I see it, appending /QRP isn't going to improve those
conditions.

Note that I'm not talking about mentioning the power level during a
casual QSO. I'm talking about answering a running station in a contest
with N0NB/QRP. What does the larger QRP community think of this
practice?

72, de Nate >>

--

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

Julio Jimenez <ak4vl.qrp@...>
 

I don't sign with /QRP, because at the speed (or lack thereof) I'm sending, "ain't nobody got time for dat".

Julio


On Sunday, August 25, 2013, Todd F. Carney / K7TFC wrote:
 

I've often though that if I'm ever the center of a pileup (doubtful) that I'd take QSOs from QRPers first, if I could hear them. In fact, I'd take them in this order: QRPers, mobile, barefoot, and then, and only then, the big guns with full-sized beams at 60ft and legal limit. 

I'll dream on. My vision of utopia is about as likely as anyone else's.  

73,

Todd
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
K7TFC / Medford, Oregon, USA / CN82ni / UTC-7 (PDT)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:09 AM, <KB4QQJ@...> wrote:
 

Agreed. I don't recall ever appending /QRP. Contest or casual chat.
If it is one of the SKCC guys looking for 2x QRP award I'll mention my power. But never /QRP.
for that matter I'm always QRP from home  or mobile. I do QRO from my club in contests and events.
 
Randy_KB4QQJ
 
In a message dated 8/25/2013 11:03:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wa0itp@... writes:
 

Ge Nate,

I agree and I don't append /qrp either, no need to imho.

----------------------------------
Real radios weigh less than a pound.
I love this radio stuff !
72 WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Bargmann" <n0nb@...>
To: "4SQRP mail list" <4sqrp@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: [4sqrp] Appending /QRP in a contest

| First off, please forgive my sort of a mini rant. ;-)
|
| I worked the Kansas QSO Party Saturday and part of this morning and
| being in Kansas I spent my time calling CQ since I had one of the 1x1
| calls. I know firsthand that QRP can be a fun challenge, in fact I am
| often pleasantly surprised by the results when I try it. However, I
| also understand that if I am answering a station calling CQ that, all
| things being equal, my QRP signal may be 13 or many more dB down. Yet,
| I see no reason to append /QRP to my call as it won't magically make my
| signal any stronger and it may well confuse the other op a bit, at least
| momentarily.
|
| During my calls I had a few answer with /QRP. All were FB copy so if
| they had not appended the extra characters I would not have known. It
| is also likely that I could not copy some stations running more power
| than me (I was running about 500 Watts during the event) that I could
| not copy due to band conditions, skip zone, etc.
|
| Perhaps the group thinks differently, but I see no useful reason to
| append /QRP. After all, no one goes around appending /QRO! No
| question, the QRP ranks include many skillful operators. At the other
| end of the QSO I'm also doing everything with my receiver and skills to
| pull out all the stations I can in a contest and when I cannot copy I'll
| ask for a repeat. Sometimes there is just no way to complete the QSO
| and, as I see it, appending /QRP isn't going to improve those
| conditions.
|
| Note that I'm not talking about mentioning the power level during a
| casual QSO. I'm talking about answering a running station in a contest
| with N0NB/QRP. What does the larger QRP community think of this
| practice?
|
| 72, de Nate >>
|
| --
|
| "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
| possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
|
| Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
|
|
| ------------------------------------
|
| 4SQRP Website: http://4sqrp.com
| OzarkCon is coming April 4-5, 2014 in Branson, MO
| View Details at http://www.ozarkcon.com/index.phpYahoo! Groups Links
|
|
|


Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

Todd K7TFC
 

I've often though that if I'm ever the center of a pileup (doubtful) that I'd take QSOs from QRPers first, if I could hear them. In fact, I'd take them in this order: QRPers, mobile, barefoot, and then, and only then, the big guns with full-sized beams at 60ft and legal limit. 

I'll dream on. My vision of utopia is about as likely as anyone else's.  

73,

Todd
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
K7TFC / Medford, Oregon, USA / CN82ni / UTC-7 (PDT)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:09 AM, <KB4QQJ@...> wrote:
 

Agreed. I don't recall ever appending /QRP. Contest or casual chat.
If it is one of the SKCC guys looking for 2x QRP award I'll mention my power. But never /QRP.
for that matter I'm always QRP from home  or mobile. I do QRO from my club in contests and events.
 
Randy_KB4QQJ
 
In a message dated 8/25/2013 11:03:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wa0itp@... writes:
 

Ge Nate,

I agree and I don't append /qrp either, no need to imho.

----------------------------------
Real radios weigh less than a pound.
I love this radio stuff !
72 WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Bargmann" <n0nb@...>
To: "4SQRP mail list" <4sqrp@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: [4sqrp] Appending /QRP in a contest

| First off, please forgive my sort of a mini rant. ;-)
|
| I worked the Kansas QSO Party Saturday and part of this morning and
| being in Kansas I spent my time calling CQ since I had one of the 1x1
| calls. I know firsthand that QRP can be a fun challenge, in fact I am
| often pleasantly surprised by the results when I try it. However, I
| also understand that if I am answering a station calling CQ that, all
| things being equal, my QRP signal may be 13 or many more dB down. Yet,
| I see no reason to append /QRP to my call as it won't magically make my
| signal any stronger and it may well confuse the other op a bit, at least
| momentarily.
|
| During my calls I had a few answer with /QRP. All were FB copy so if
| they had not appended the extra characters I would not have known. It
| is also likely that I could not copy some stations running more power
| than me (I was running about 500 Watts during the event) that I could
| not copy due to band conditions, skip zone, etc.
|
| Perhaps the group thinks differently, but I see no useful reason to
| append /QRP. After all, no one goes around appending /QRO! No
| question, the QRP ranks include many skillful operators. At the other
| end of the QSO I'm also doing everything with my receiver and skills to
| pull out all the stations I can in a contest and when I cannot copy I'll
| ask for a repeat. Sometimes there is just no way to complete the QSO
| and, as I see it, appending /QRP isn't going to improve those
| conditions.
|
| Note that I'm not talking about mentioning the power level during a
| casual QSO. I'm talking about answering a running station in a contest
| with N0NB/QRP. What does the larger QRP community think of this
| practice?
|
| 72, de Nate >>
|
| --
|
| "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
| possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
|
| Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
|
|
| ------------------------------------
|
| 4SQRP Website: http://4sqrp.com
| OzarkCon is coming April 4-5, 2014 in Branson, MO
| View Details at http://www.ozarkcon.com/index.phpYahoo! Groups Links
|
|
|


Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

Bill Cromwell
 

Hi Nate,

This has been discussed on other QRP lists before. Many of us don't sign with /QRP. I also don't bandy the 72 thing. I consider anything under 50 watts to be QRP and I'm way under that most of the time. I watch to not go over 5 watts if I'm in some contest or sprint operating officially as the 5 watt notion of QRP. I can see it's important to some hams to advertise they are QRP for whatever reason <shrug>. Nobody has ever hurt me signing with /QRP. But I'm just an amateur using low power out of my transmitters and no shingle needed. YMMV.

73,

Bill KU8H
Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

kb4qqj
 

Agreed. I don't recall ever appending /QRP. Contest or casual chat.
If it is one of the SKCC guys looking for 2x QRP award I'll mention my power. But never /QRP.
for that matter I'm always QRP from home  or mobile. I do QRO from my club in contests and events.
 
Randy_KB4QQJ
 

In a message dated 8/25/2013 11:03:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wa0itp@... writes:
 

Ge Nate,

I agree and I don't append /qrp either, no need to imho.

----------------------------------
Real radios weigh less than a pound.
I love this radio stuff !
72 WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Bargmann" <n0nb@...>
To: "4SQRP mail list" <4sqrp@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: [4sqrp] Appending /QRP in a contest

| First off, please forgive my sort of a mini rant. ;-)
|
| I worked the Kansas QSO Party Saturday and part of this morning and
| being in Kansas I spent my time calling CQ since I had one of the 1x1
| calls. I know firsthand that QRP can be a fun challenge, in fact I am
| often pleasantly surprised by the results when I try it. However, I
| also understand that if I am answering a station calling CQ that, all
| things being equal, my QRP signal may be 13 or many more dB down. Yet,
| I see no reason to append /QRP to my call as it won't magically make my
| signal any stronger and it may well confuse the other op a bit, at least
| momentarily.
|
| During my calls I had a few answer with /QRP. All were FB copy so if
| they had not appended the extra characters I would not have known. It
| is also likely that I could not copy some stations running more power
| than me (I was running about 500 Watts during the event) that I could
| not copy due to band conditions, skip zone, etc.
|
| Perhaps the group thinks differently, but I see no useful reason to
| append /QRP. After all, no one goes around appending /QRO! No
| question, the QRP ranks include many skillful operators. At the other
| end of the QSO I'm also doing everything with my receiver and skills to
| pull out all the stations I can in a contest and when I cannot copy I'll
| ask for a repeat. Sometimes there is just no way to complete the QSO
| and, as I see it, appending /QRP isn't going to improve those
| conditions.
|
| Note that I'm not talking about mentioning the power level during a
| casual QSO. I'm talking about answering a running station in a contest
| with N0NB/QRP. What does the larger QRP community think of this
| practice?
|
| 72, de Nate >>
|
| --
|
| "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
| possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
|
| Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
|
|
| ------------------------------------
|
| 4SQRP Website: http://4sqrp.com
| OzarkCon is coming April 4-5, 2014 in Branson, MO
| View Details at http://www.ozarkcon.com/index.phpYahoo! Groups Links
|
|
|

Re: Appending /QRP in a contest

WA0ITP
 

Ge Nate,

I agree and I don't append /qrp either, no need to imho.

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I love this radio stuff !
72 WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Bargmann" <n0nb@n0nb.us>
To: "4SQRP mail list" <4sqrp@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: [4sqrp] Appending /QRP in a contest


| First off, please forgive my sort of a mini rant. ;-)
|
| I worked the Kansas QSO Party Saturday and part of this morning and
| being in Kansas I spent my time calling CQ since I had one of the 1x1
| calls. I know firsthand that QRP can be a fun challenge, in fact I am
| often pleasantly surprised by the results when I try it. However, I
| also understand that if I am answering a station calling CQ that, all
| things being equal, my QRP signal may be 13 or many more dB down. Yet,
| I see no reason to append /QRP to my call as it won't magically make my
| signal any stronger and it may well confuse the other op a bit, at least
| momentarily.
|
| During my calls I had a few answer with /QRP. All were FB copy so if
| they had not appended the extra characters I would not have known. It
| is also likely that I could not copy some stations running more power
| than me (I was running about 500 Watts during the event) that I could
| not copy due to band conditions, skip zone, etc.
|
| Perhaps the group thinks differently, but I see no useful reason to
| append /QRP. After all, no one goes around appending /QRO! No
| question, the QRP ranks include many skillful operators. At the other
| end of the QSO I'm also doing everything with my receiver and skills to
| pull out all the stations I can in a contest and when I cannot copy I'll
| ask for a repeat. Sometimes there is just no way to complete the QSO
| and, as I see it, appending /QRP isn't going to improve those
| conditions.
|
| Note that I'm not talking about mentioning the power level during a
| casual QSO. I'm talking about answering a running station in a contest
| with N0NB/QRP. What does the larger QRP community think of this
| practice?
|
| 72, de Nate >>
|
| --
|
| "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
| possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
|
| Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
|
|
| ------------------------------------
|
| 4SQRP Website: http://4sqrp.com
| OzarkCon is coming April 4-5, 2014 in Branson, MO
| View Details at http://www.ozarkcon.com/index.phpYahoo! Groups Links
|
|
|
Appending /QRP in a contest

Nate Bargmann
 

First off, please forgive my sort of a mini rant. ;-)

I worked the Kansas QSO Party Saturday and part of this morning and
being in Kansas I spent my time calling CQ since I had one of the 1x1
calls. I know firsthand that QRP can be a fun challenge, in fact I am
often pleasantly surprised by the results when I try it. However, I
also understand that if I am answering a station calling CQ that, all
things being equal, my QRP signal may be 13 or many more dB down. Yet,
I see no reason to append /QRP to my call as it won't magically make my
signal any stronger and it may well confuse the other op a bit, at least
momentarily.

During my calls I had a few answer with /QRP. All were FB copy so if
they had not appended the extra characters I would not have known. It
is also likely that I could not copy some stations running more power
than me (I was running about 500 Watts during the event) that I could
not copy due to band conditions, skip zone, etc.

Perhaps the group thinks differently, but I see no useful reason to
append /QRP. After all, no one goes around appending /QRO! No
question, the QRP ranks include many skillful operators. At the other
end of the QSO I'm also doing everything with my receiver and skills to
pull out all the stations I can in a contest and when I cannot copy I'll
ask for a repeat. Sometimes there is just no way to complete the QSO
and, as I see it, appending /QRP isn't going to improve those
conditions.

Note that I'm not talking about mentioning the power level during a
casual QSO. I'm talking about answering a running station in a contest
with N0NB/QRP. What does the larger QRP community think of this
practice?

72, de Nate >>

--

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
Re: 5SQRP?

Bill Cromwell
 

Hi,

I'm also a member of the Michigan QRP Club. Our membership is international in scope but the name is still the same. And it still works.

73,

Bill KU8H
Re: 5SQRP?

Julio Jimenez <ak4vl.qrp@...>
 

Heck yeah!!  I'm loving 4SQRP all the way from the Tarheel State :-)

72
Julio


On Sunday, August 25, 2013, Rick Bennett wrote:
 

Thanks Ray, that is great.  The 4 states appear to be the right ones.  It looks like if we were to add a state it would be Texas, but in all seriousness why mess with the names, logos, etc.  I think (hope) everyone realizes that 4SQRP is open to anyone on the globe that shares our common interests.

de KC0PET, Rick

From: "Ray Cadmus" <rcadmus@...>
To: 4sqrp@..., "John R. Lonigro" <jonigro@...>
Cc: "AG1P - Ron" <ag1p@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:22:49 PM
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] 5SQRP?

 

For what it's worth - probably not much.  I have uploaded a file "4state.png" to the yahoo group files that shows the locations of the members as scattered around the contiguous states.  Unfortunately it does not show our several Alaskan friends.

The map is a screenshot of my personal web server where the map and markers are interactive -  showing call, name & city when clicked.  Sorry, my server is private - but I would be happy to provide the required files to anyone wanting to post them.

Regards,

ray    W0PFO

--

On 08/21/2013 12:19 PM, John R. Lonigro wrote:
 

Colorado isn't one of the 4 states to start with, is it?  Actually, the way the club is growing, maybe the name should be changed to 4CQRP - 4 Corners of the World QRP Club!

John AA0VE
Re: 5SQRP?

Rick Bennett
 

Thanks Ray, that is great.  The 4 states appear to be the right ones.  It looks like if we were to add a state it would be Texas, but in all seriousness why mess with the names, logos, etc.  I think (hope) everyone realizes that 4SQRP is open to anyone on the globe that shares our common interests.

de KC0PET, Rick


From: "Ray Cadmus"
To: 4sqrp@..., "John R. Lonigro"
Cc: "AG1P - Ron"
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:22:49 PM
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] 5SQRP?

 

For what it's worth - probably not much.  I have uploaded a file "4state.png" to the yahoo group files that shows the locations of the members as scattered around the contiguous states.  Unfortunately it does not show our several Alaskan friends.

The map is a screenshot of my personal web server where the map and markers are interactive -  showing call, name & city when clicked.  Sorry, my server is private - but I would be happy to provide the required files to anyone wanting to post them.

Regards,

ray    W0PFO

--

On 08/21/2013 12:19 PM, John R. Lonigro wrote:
 

Colorado isn't one of the 4 states to start with, is it?  Actually, the way the club is growing, maybe the name should be changed to 4CQRP - 4 Corners of the World QRP Club!

John AA0VE
Re: QRZ.com

Johnny AC0BQ
 

I couldn't even get it to load!
Must be Lazy like me today!!
72 
Johnny AC0BQ

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 25, 2013, at 3:23 PM, "WA0ITP" <wa0itp@...> wrote:

 

Anyone else notice that qrz.com is  r e a l l y  s l o w  today?
 
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I love this radio stuff !
72   WA0ITP
www.wa0itp.com
www.4sqrp.com
 
 
 
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