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Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

Tim
 

Well about out of hair! 
Tried everything still no modulation.
Changed mic element, verified mic cable was ok and pins connected properly. 
Out of ideas.
On RX I did notice on very strong signal there was motorboating in audio and no tuning cycled power back to normal.
Not sure that is even related!
Tim 


Re: Nouveau 75A PTT

John P Lloyd
 

Hello Rex,
I was reading your email and was wondering what is the point of running high power when the Noveau (and the retro 75, I have both) are basically deaf?

When I inquired about this a few months ago i found on the web the explanation that as the Noveau only was a 5 watt rig and better sensitivity was not needed.

I measured my  Noveau with an elecraft signal source.

Please understand I don't mean any disrespect in my email, just trying to understand the reasoning.

73, john w4jpl 



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-------- Original message --------
From: Rex K0KP <rex@...>
Date: 4/14/20 9:36 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: [4SQRP] Nouveau 75A PTT

[Edited Message Follows]

I posted this to the N75 sub group but I'm not sure who might get it there so I will post here as well just in case.

Regarding a PTT solution for my Nouveau so that it will key an external amplifier please refer to the attached schematic and photos.  A relay works fine to key the external amplifier because the Nouveau has an exceptionally long delay after keying the mic circuit before it begins generating RF.  The relay gives additional isolation without any amplifier hot switching even with the extra time for the isolation relay to close.  This works well with my AL-811H and my RF2K+.  The RF2K+ will generate legal limit AM with the 5 watt Nouveau drive.

Thanks to David Cripe NM0S for help with this.


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Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

AndyH
 

Hi Tim,

   There's a good copy of the schematic in the build instructions on pages 14-16:  http://www.4sqrp.com/kits/n75/N75NewManual.pdf
  
    73, Andy, KG5RKP


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:29 AM, Tim wrote:
took back off mic and there is something wrong with wiring!
is there a clearer schematic for rig? when I view the one on 4sqrp site it is blurry
Tim


Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

K0WDO Will Osborn
 

Okay now I understand! Thanks for the terrific explanation Bob!

73, Will
K0WDO

On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:37 PM, w9ran <w9ran@oneradio.net> wrote:

On 4/14/2020 12:06 PM, K0WDO Will Osborn via groups.io wrote:
Are you thinking we’re using the speaker as a dynamic mic of sorts instead of the electret and that’s why we have to crank the gain all the way up and shout?
To be clear, the speaker connection from the speaker-mic is not hooked up inside the radio, only the mic terminal is used. It's on the ring closest to the sleeve and seems to be a non-standard wiring scheme. The PTT switch is connected in series inside the mic and PTT is sensed by Q14 and U2 while the mic audio from the electret element is capacitively coupled to another section of U2 where it is amplified and gain-adjusted. If the radio is switching to transmit mode (speaker audio is muted) but there is no TX audio, I'd look in that area.

I guess it was done this way because of the desire to supply a mic as part of the kit, but in my view it would have been preferable to go with a conventional mic preamp and PTT line that would be grounded to transmit so users would be able to easily use any mic of their choice, or an external audio source. The supplied mic sounds OK but lacks the mids and highs that greatly improve speech intelligibility. I use a TRRS extension cable on it since the right-angle plug was always rubbing against the knob and adjusting the mic gain setting for me ;-)

73, Bob W9RAN





Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

Tim
 

No using condenser mic
I see 2200 ohm resistor across mic output lifted it ant no PTT so there needs to some resistance there
I an going to see what  max resistance will trip PTT maybe that will cut the attenuation 
Second up is change mic element I have a few spares
Even wired correctly and mic gain to max I an getting no modulation!
Tim W4YN


Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

w9ran <w9ran@...>
 

On 4/14/2020 12:06 PM, K0WDO Will Osborn via groups.io wrote:
Are you thinking we’re using the speaker as a dynamic mic of sorts instead of the electret and that’s why we have to crank the gain all the way up and shout?
To be clear, the speaker connection from the speaker-mic is not hooked up inside the radio, only the mic terminal is used.   It's on the ring closest to the sleeve and seems to be a non-standard wiring scheme.   The PTT switch is connected in series inside the mic and PTT is sensed by Q14 and U2 while the mic audio from the electret element is capacitively coupled to another section of U2 where it is amplified and gain-adjusted.    If the radio is switching to transmit mode (speaker audio is muted) but there is no TX audio, I'd look in that area.

I guess it was done this way because of the desire to supply a mic as part of the kit,  but in my view it would have been preferable to go with a conventional mic preamp and PTT line that would be grounded to transmit so users would be able to easily use any mic of their choice, or an external audio source.   The supplied mic sounds OK but lacks the mids and highs that greatly improve speech intelligibility.   I use a TRRS extension cable on it since the right-angle plug was always rubbing against the knob and adjusting the mic gain setting for me ;-)

73, Bob W9RAN


Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

K0WDO Will Osborn
 

This is how mine is wired. Are you thinking we’re using the speaker as a dynamic mic of sorts instead of the electret and that’s why we have to crank the gain all the way up and shout?

73, Will 
K0WDO 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 11:01 AM, KG0DQ <KG0DQ.listen@...> wrote:

Tim,

Check your microphone, it’s not a high dollar microphone. Mine was wired wrong. The speaker was wired to the tip and the electret was on the ring ground was the sleeve. 


Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

K0WDO Will Osborn
 

Hi Tim! Finished my N75a yesterday. I had the same issue and thought I had a bad mic until I maxed out the mic gain and talked very loud in the mic. Even at 90% mic gain there is zero audio but turn it clockwise till it stops and I now get about 10 watts PEP and a 4 watt carrier. I can hear myself on a nearby receiver. 

Keep us posted! I’m still testing mine. 

73, Will 
K0WDO 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Tim <w4yn@...> wrote:

Nice 5 watt carrier but I get no modulation with MIc.
PTT on mic is very stiff but I do not think that is a problem.
Anyone else have that issue before I drag out Oscope!
Tim W4YN


Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

N7JS
 

With the stock microphone, I'm having to crank up the mic gain all the way to get the LED to flicker.  Also noticing a lot of hum on the audio (even though using a regulated power supply).

73 Jim, N7JS

On 4/14/2020 8:22 AM, KG0DQ wrote:
Tim,

Check your microphone, it’s not a high dollar microphone. Mine was wired wrong. The speaker was wired to the tip and the electret was on the ring ground was the sleeve. 


Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

Timothy East
 

I don’t have a better copy. Perhaps contacting the kitter or a member of 4sqrp leadership to obtain a clearer schematic. 
Tim
K0EMP 

On Apr 14, 2020, at 11:29, Tim <w4yn@...> wrote:

took back off mic and there is something wrong with wiring!
is there a clearer schematic for rig? when I view the one on 4sqrp site it is blurry
Tim


Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

Tim
 

took back off mic and there is something wrong with wiring!
is there a clearer schematic for rig? when I view the one on 4sqrp site it is blurry
Tim


Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

Timothy East
 

Tim,
This is Tim, K0EMP.

I also had a similar experience.  Turned out I had a short in the mic cable just below the mic head.  I suggest you check the mic writing first and if that is not it that you next try keying the PPT and manipulating the mic cable to see if things start working.

Mine did start up and I got a replacement mic that corrected the problem completely.

Best of luck.  Its a great kit.

Tim
K0EMP

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:22 AM, KG0DQ <KG0DQ.listen@...> wrote:

Tim,

Check your microphone, it’s not a high dollar microphone. Mine was wired wrong. The speaker was wired to the tip and the electret was on the ring ground was the sleeve. 


Re: Nauveau 75 no modulation

KG0DQ
 

Tim,

Check your microphone, it’s not a high dollar microphone. Mine was wired wrong. The speaker was wired to the tip and the electret was on the ring ground was the sleeve. 


Nauveau 75 no modulation

Tim
 

Nice 5 watt carrier but I get no modulation with MIc.
PTT on mic is very stiff but I do not think that is a problem.
Anyone else have that issue before I drag out Oscope!
Tim W4YN


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Re: Enter your score

W0MQY
 

Yeah, me too.  Just wish condx had been better.  Lots of wind here too but I didn’t think about the static build up.  
It was a nice turn out even with poor band condx.  I keep hoping we can make contact some time but I guess I’m going to have to get a better 80 meter antenna.  You stay safe too.  72 Joe. 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM Johnny Matlock <jomatlock@...> wrote:
Hello Joe 
I didn't get on last night.
We had a 35-40 mph windstorm in progress and I was worried about static build up. 
Its nice to see the big turn out! 
Stay Safe 
72 
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Hello Johnny and Bert,  Sri, could not hear you guys at all.  The skip was really long on 40 plus there was ssb stations covering up the frequency.  Big thanks go out to Glenn N4MJ and K4BAI for hanging in there with me.  I heard several stations on the peaks of the qsb but with all the noise, ssb, es qsb it was really rough copy.  Thanks again guys for the contacts into the bunker here in Southeast Kansas.  72 to all.

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Re: Enter your score

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Hello Joe 
I didn't get on last night.
We had a 35-40 mph windstorm in progress and I was worried about static build up. 
Its nice to see the big turn out! 
Stay Safe 
72 
Johnny AC0BQ

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:59 AM W0MQY <womquee@...> wrote:
Hello Johnny and Bert,  Sri, could not hear you guys at all.  The skip was really long on 40 plus there was ssb stations covering up the frequency.  Big thanks go out to Glenn N4MJ and K4BAI for hanging in there with me.  I heard several stations on the peaks of the qsb but with all the noise, ssb, es qsb it was really rough copy.  Thanks again guys for the contacts into the bunker here in Southeast Kansas.  72 to all.


Re: Enter your score

Carl Gansen
 

QRN was a bit high in MN also. Belle Plaine has 7 inches of fresh snow.  Otherwise,  it was nice to see how many participants were there.


Re: Enter your score

W0MQY
 

You welcome Glenn. Maybe things will get back to normal some day.   Hope to hear you again under better condx.  Wx and Covid-19 are very annoying but they too shall pass.  72 
Joe

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:08 AM n4mj via groups.io <n4mj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Joe, W0MQY, Tnx for the Q last evening.  QSB and QRN were problematic for certain.  The big wx front between us didn't help at all. hi hi
Hope to hear/work you again soon.
73/72 de n4mj//glenn


 
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On Monday, April 13, 2020, 08:59:43 AM CDT, W0MQY <womquee@...> wrote:


Hello Johnny and Bert,  Sri, could not hear you guys at all.  The skip was really long on 40 plus there was ssb stations covering up the frequency.  Big thanks go out to Glenn N4MJ and K4BAI for hanging in there with me.  I heard several stations on the peaks of the qsb but with all the noise, ssb, es qsb it was really rough copy.  Thanks again guys for the contacts into the bunker here in Southeast Kansas.  72 to all.

--
Joe Porter, PhD
SEKARC.net
4sqrp.com

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