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Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

Rob Roberts
 

I wasn’t trying to troll the group, I was legitimately looking for advice. I now have said advice, thank you to the people that provided me with solid answers. I do have radio experience but it’s all been with Military sincgars and what have you.

Thanks.

Rob

On Aug 7, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Dwayne R via Groups.Io <masterdr=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


PS. . I am a real live ham that has been one for over 40 years.

I have worked EME, worked weak stations on VHF and UHF.
worked Oscar 10 and 13, as well as other lower orbit sats.

yes. . .I have had both preamps on the antenna output
and on the radio input. . .

been there and done that.

Your response was very poor.

Dwayne (Ka0aam)


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On Tue, 8/7/18, Frank Artieta <73tuudefrank@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Antenna analyzer/SWR meter
To: main@4sqrp.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 2:06 PM

This is the last
thing I will post here !I highly recommend if at all
possible you try to find a ham radio club in your area first
!
If you do find a club , go introduce yourself and
tell them all what you are up to :)If you are
setting up your very first HF Station !The help
of a real live experienced ham could be very valuable
!I say go find a club because !At this
point you have to be careful who you chose to trust as to
be knowledgeableMy advice is to not get into too
big a hurry !73 de KD5ALD

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at
1:37 PM, Frank Artieta <73tuudefrank@...>
wrote:
Hello Rob :)Do not
dispair !I am sure there is help
available Most all of us were in your shoes at
one time I agree with JohnTell more
about your equipment What type antenna did you
build or have you not built one yet Why do you
say stupid antenna ??I have never owned a store
bought antenna for HF useBut I think you can buy
a factory built antenna cheaper than you can buy the parts
to build one I figure there is a ham radio club
somewhere in your area I agree with John more
info is needed !
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:04 PM, John
T. Fitzer <John.fitzer@...>
wrote:







Well the answer to
your question depends,

1.
What type of antenna are you
making?

2.
What is the intended frequency of
operation?
3.
Is it to be fed with 50 ohm
coax?
4.
Is it a full size radiator or a
shortened version employing loading of some
sort?
Pleas provide some
specifics and maybe I can help

From:
main@4SQRP.groups.io
[mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Rob Roberts via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 12:58 PM

To: main@4SQRP.groups.io

Subject: [4SQRP] Antenna analyzer/SWR
meter

What do you all suggest
for a new ham to do, to check out the SWR on an antenna he
just built? I really don’t have many Elmer’s around me
to ask. I probably should make the stupid antenna and take
to the ham fest where I am taking my
general exam and see if someone has one.





Rob



kd0wkv






















Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

Dwayne R <masterdr@...>
 

PS. . I am a real live ham that has been one for over 40 years.

I have worked EME, worked weak stations on VHF and UHF.
worked Oscar 10 and 13, as well as other lower orbit sats.

yes. . .I have had both preamps on the antenna output
and on the radio input. . .

been there and done that.

Your response was very poor.

Dwayne (Ka0aam)


--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 8/7/18, Frank Artieta <73tuudefrank@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Antenna analyzer/SWR meter
To: main@4sqrp.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 2:06 PM

This is the last
thing I will post here !I highly recommend if at all
possible you try to find a ham radio club in your area first
!
If you do find a club , go introduce yourself and
tell them all what you are up to :)If you are
setting up your very first HF Station !The help
of a real live experienced ham could be very valuable
!I say go find a club because !At this
point you have to be careful who you chose to trust as to
be knowledgeableMy advice is to not get into too
big a hurry !73 de KD5ALD

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at
1:37 PM, Frank Artieta <73tuudefrank@...>
wrote:
Hello Rob :)Do not
dispair !I am sure there is help
available Most all of us were in your shoes at
one time I agree with JohnTell more
about your equipment What type antenna did you
build or have you not built one yet Why do you
say stupid antenna ??I have never owned a store
bought antenna for HF useBut I think you can buy
a factory built antenna cheaper than you can buy the parts
to build one I figure there is a ham radio club
somewhere in your area I agree with John more
info is needed !
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:04 PM, John
T. Fitzer <John.fitzer@...>
wrote:







Well the answer to
your question depends,

1.     
What type of antenna are you
making?

2.     
What is the intended frequency of
operation?
3.     
Is it to be fed with 50 ohm
coax?
4.     
Is it a full size radiator or a
shortened version employing loading of some
sort?
Pleas provide some
specifics and maybe I can help
 
From:
main@4SQRP.groups.io
[mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Rob Roberts via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 12:58 PM

To: main@4SQRP.groups.io

Subject: [4SQRP] Antenna analyzer/SWR
meter
 
What do you all suggest
for a new ham to do, to check out the SWR on an antenna he
just built?  I really don’t have many Elmer’s around me
to ask.  I probably should make the stupid antenna and take
 to the ham fest where I am taking my
general exam and see if someone has one.





Rob



kd0wkv


Re: antenna tuners in general

John Hucke <johnhucke87@...>
 

Correct, an antenna tuner consist of wire cutter, tape measure, and a soldering iron if you cut too much.
That said I’m happy to fool my radio (KX3) with the excellent internal impedance match.
I love my KX3 but QRP isn’t recommended for a beginner, I can tell you from personal experience.
72 John K3JH




On Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 16:54, ussv dharma via Groups.Io <ussvdharma@...> wrote:

One must remember, an antenna tuner only fools the radio into believing there is a 50 ohm antenna....the tuner does not change anything about the antenna or coax feeding it.

If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!!
 
MSGT. Susan Meckley, USA (Ret.)
W7KFI  & AFZ4SM
 

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/7/18, Wayne Dillon <wayne.dillon@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Antenna analyzer/SWR meter
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 4:30 PM

Couldn't
agree more Jerry, the FT450 is an entry level wireless with
above entry level performance and functions. Yes the built
in ASTU is amazing.Blessings,Wayne -
NQ0RP
On Tue,
Aug 7, 2018 at 3:15 PM, J.K. Wright <wrightjk@...>
wrote:
Also
have an FT-450d. It has a built in swr meter and an
absolutely amazing built in antenna tuner with great
range.  Unless you plan on experimenting a lot with
antennas, you don't need an swr/per meter anytime soon.
Never had one for my first 45 yrs of hamming. Read your
FT450D manual carefully. The rig can do a lot and is a great
entry level rig.Jerry, NK2C
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 3:42 PM Rob Roberts via
Groups.Io <kd0wkv=yahoo.com@groups.io>
wrote:
I
didn’t rely to the group. I replied to John instead. 
I’m not getting in a hurry.  I am planning on joining a
group, however in my line of work. I work 70 hrs a week and
my weekends fall during the week, not many people are off
when I am.  My radio that I purchased is a Yaesu FT-450d.
I’m taking my General test on Saturday lord willing and
the creek don’t rise I hope to ready to get on the air
when I get home. Thanks for all your replies.



I am debating on a OCF dipole or a Carolina Windom.  It
will be fed with RG-8x (50 ohm I believe).  I’m not sure
about the radiation or if it’s shortened. I’m a fairly
new ham.



I need to start trucking, I’ll reply when I stop.



Thanks



Rob














--
 

  QRP -   EFFICIENCY AND
SKILL, NOT POWER.  
 
God Bless from Wayne Dillon -
NQ0RP

Fate whispered to courageous
"You cannot withstand the
storm"Courageous  whispered back "I am
the storm"









Re: antenna tuners in general

ussv dharma
 

out of habit I use wording that describes the incident or problem as opposed to technical terms. Many of the people reading these posts online are new to electronics and I know that us old elmers (got license in 1952) know what is going on. I want it xtal clear for the new comers.....that being said, you are 100% correct in your comments.

If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!!
 
MSGT. Susan Meckley, USA (Ret.)
W7KFI  & AFZ4SM
 

--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 8/7/18, Nate Bargmann <@n0nb> wrote:

Subject: Re: [4SQRP] antenna tuners in general
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 7:05 PM

* On 2018 07 Aug 16:01 -0500, ussv dharma via
Groups.Io wrote:
> One must remember, an
antenna tuner only fools the radio into
>
believing there is a 50 ohm antenna....the tuner does not
change
> anything about the antenna or
coax feeding it.

Please,
with all due respect, Susan, let's not use
"fool" or "believe"
when
discussing conjugate matching.  The match is real.  The 50
ohm
resistive load presented to the
transmitter byt the tuner is real.  You
are
correct that nothing changes on the line between the tuner
and
antenna--a Wattmeter placed after the
tuner will bear this out.  In
fact, you
will see the result of the conjugate match as increased
forward power which is the original reflected
power added to the
incident forward wave. 
Except for line attenuation and the increased
attenuation due to SWR, all power is
radiated.

Impedance
matching is employed in all parts of a radio.  I've yet
to
read a serious text that discusses
impedance matching that describes
matching
in anything but technical terms or complex numbers to
describe
the impedance involved.

An excellent reference on the
topic is one of the thee editions of
Reflections by Walt Maxwell, W2DU SK, if they
can be found.  Reflections
III was
published by CQ Communications several years ago.  I'm
unsure if
it is still in print.

Walt wrote a series of
articles in the '70s that were printed in QST.
ARRL members should be able to locate them in
the QST archive.  Those
articles formed the
basis of the Reflections books.  Walt was an
accomplished engineer, yet the books are
written "for the rest of us"
and
contain a wealth of information.

72, Nate

--


"The optimist
proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is
true."

Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 
GitHub: N0NB



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Re: antenna tuners in general

 

* On 2018 07 Aug 16:01 -0500, ussv dharma via Groups.Io wrote:
One must remember, an antenna tuner only fools the radio into
believing there is a 50 ohm antenna....the tuner does not change
anything about the antenna or coax feeding it.
Please, with all due respect, Susan, let's not use "fool" or "believe"
when discussing conjugate matching. The match is real. The 50 ohm
resistive load presented to the transmitter byt the tuner is real. You
are correct that nothing changes on the line between the tuner and
antenna--a Wattmeter placed after the tuner will bear this out. In
fact, you will see the result of the conjugate match as increased
forward power which is the original reflected power added to the
incident forward wave. Except for line attenuation and the increased
attenuation due to SWR, all power is radiated.

Impedance matching is employed in all parts of a radio. I've yet to
read a serious text that discusses impedance matching that describes
matching in anything but technical terms or complex numbers to describe
the impedance involved.

An excellent reference on the topic is one of the thee editions of
Reflections by Walt Maxwell, W2DU SK, if they can be found. Reflections
III was published by CQ Communications several years ago. I'm unsure if
it is still in print.

Walt wrote a series of articles in the '70s that were printed in QST.
ARRL members should be able to locate them in the QST archive. Those
articles formed the basis of the Reflections books. Walt was an
accomplished engineer, yet the books are written "for the rest of us"
and contain a wealth of information.

72, Nate

--

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."

Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB


Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

kb4qqj
 

So does RigExpert USA and Giga Parts

Randy

On 8/7/2018 5:36 PM, Howard Weinstein via Groups.Io wrote:
RigExpert analyzers are sold here in the USA by DXengineering .


"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”


Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

Howard Weinstein <wa3mck@...>
 

RigExpert analyzers are sold here in the USA by DXengineering .


"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”

On Aug 7, 2018, at 17:28, Bob Nelson via Groups.Io <rln37@...> wrote:

The "antenna analyzer" I prefer is the Rig Expert AA-54.
I bought one of these some years ago, and would not be
without it.  It's a hand-held unit that shows you a plot of
VSWR vs frequency all across the band of interest.  VERY
spiffy, and VERY useful for antenna tuning.
I bought my AA-54 a few years ago.  Rig Expert has probably
added more models to their line by now, and I would
recommend anyone interested in antennas to check them
out.  Rig Expert is located in Kiev, Ukraine, but I think they
have a USA sales office as well.  Highly recommended.

73 - Bob, K6KL

On Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 1:28:37 PM CDT, Nate Bargmann <n0nb@...> wrote:


* On 2018 07 Aug 13:02 -0500, Rob Roberts via Groups.Io wrote:
> What do you all suggest for a new ham to do, to check out the SWR on
> an antenna he just built?  I really don’t have many Elmer’s around me
> to ask.  I probably should make the stupid antenna and take  to the
> ham fest where I am taking my general exam and see if someone has one.

First thing is that for HF, one can only gain a realistic test where it
is to be permanently mounted.  Surrounding objects that are close in
terms of wavelength will have an effect on it.  Likewise, at the hamfest
the objects surrounding the antenna will be entirely different and
tuning it there will likely be incorrect to some degree when you get it
back home.

There are a lot of analyzers on the market.  The current cool thing is a
Vector Network Analyzer, VNA.  Some VNAs are stand-alone and some
analyzers have a VNA built in.  I'm a bit biased as the Rig Expert
AA-230ZOOM is the finest analyzer I've used.  To be fair, I have only
used the classic MFJ analyzers before buying it.  When I worked for a
railroad, I had the opportunity to compare the AA-230 to a Bird analyzer
we had and to an Anritsu model.  The AA-230 was right there with each of
those units.

The Rig Expert units are not the cheapest thing on the market.  However,
they do have lower cost models that only go up to 30 MHz and so on.

    https://rigexpert.com/

I would recommend the ZOOM models just for the lovely color screen.

Just the other day I used mine to do a simple check on some simple
Unadilla antenna traps.
72, Nate

--

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819  GitHub: N0NB



Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

Bob Nelson
 

The "antenna analyzer" I prefer is the Rig Expert AA-54.
I bought one of these some years ago, and would not be
without it.  It's a hand-held unit that shows you a plot of
VSWR vs frequency all across the band of interest.  VERY
spiffy, and VERY useful for antenna tuning.
I bought my AA-54 a few years ago.  Rig Expert has probably
added more models to their line by now, and I would
recommend anyone interested in antennas to check them
out.  Rig Expert is located in Kiev, Ukraine, but I think they
have a USA sales office as well.  Highly recommended.

73 - Bob, K6KL

On Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 1:28:37 PM CDT, Nate Bargmann <n0nb@...> wrote:


* On 2018 07 Aug 13:02 -0500, Rob Roberts via Groups.Io wrote:
> What do you all suggest for a new ham to do, to check out the SWR on
> an antenna he just built?  I really don’t have many Elmer’s around me
> to ask.  I probably should make the stupid antenna and take  to the
> ham fest where I am taking my general exam and see if someone has one.

First thing is that for HF, one can only gain a realistic test where it
is to be permanently mounted.  Surrounding objects that are close in
terms of wavelength will have an effect on it.  Likewise, at the hamfest
the objects surrounding the antenna will be entirely different and
tuning it there will likely be incorrect to some degree when you get it
back home.

There are a lot of analyzers on the market.  The current cool thing is a
Vector Network Analyzer, VNA.  Some VNAs are stand-alone and some
analyzers have a VNA built in.  I'm a bit biased as the Rig Expert
AA-230ZOOM is the finest analyzer I've used.  To be fair, I have only
used the classic MFJ analyzers before buying it.  When I worked for a
railroad, I had the opportunity to compare the AA-230 to a Bird analyzer
we had and to an Anritsu model.  The AA-230 was right there with each of
those units.

The Rig Expert units are not the cheapest thing on the market.  However,
they do have lower cost models that only go up to 30 MHz and so on.

    https://rigexpert.com/

I would recommend the ZOOM models just for the lovely color screen.

Just the other day I used mine to do a simple check on some simple
Unadilla antenna traps.
72, Nate

--

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819  GitHub: N0NB



antenna tuners in general

ussv dharma
 

One must remember, an antenna tuner only fools the radio into believing there is a 50 ohm antenna....the tuner does not change anything about the antenna or coax feeding it.

If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!!
 
MSGT. Susan Meckley, USA (Ret.)
W7KFI  & AFZ4SM
 

--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 8/7/18, Wayne Dillon <wayne.dillon@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Antenna analyzer/SWR meter
To: main@4sqrp.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 4:30 PM

Couldn't
agree more Jerry, the FT450 is an entry level wireless with
above entry level performance and functions. Yes the built
in ASTU is amazing.Blessings,Wayne -
NQ0RP
On Tue,
Aug 7, 2018 at 3:15 PM, J.K. Wright <wrightjk@...>
wrote:
Also
have an FT-450d. It has a built in swr meter and an
absolutely amazing built in antenna tuner with great
range.  Unless you plan on experimenting a lot with
antennas, you don't need an swr/per meter anytime soon.
Never had one for my first 45 yrs of hamming. Read your
FT450D manual carefully. The rig can do a lot and is a great
entry level rig.Jerry, NK2C
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 3:42 PM Rob Roberts via
Groups.Io <kd0wkv=yahoo.com@groups.io>
wrote:
I
didn’t rely to the group. I replied to John instead. 
I’m not getting in a hurry.  I am planning on joining a
group, however in my line of work. I work 70 hrs a week and
my weekends fall during the week, not many people are off
when I am.  My radio that I purchased is a Yaesu FT-450d.
I’m taking my General test on Saturday lord willing and
the creek don’t rise I hope to ready to get on the air
when I get home. Thanks for all your replies.



I am debating on a OCF dipole or a Carolina Windom.  It
will be fed with RG-8x (50 ohm I believe).  I’m not sure
about the radiation or if it’s shortened. I’m a fairly
new ham.



I need to start trucking, I’ll reply when I stop.



Thanks



Rob














--
 

QRP -   EFFICIENCY AND
SKILL, NOT POWER.  
 
God Bless from Wayne Dillon -
NQ0RP

Fate whispered to courageous
"You cannot withstand the
storm"Courageous  whispered back "I am
the storm"


Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

Wayne Dillon
 

Couldn't agree more Jerry, the FT450 is an entry level wireless with above entry level performance and functions. Yes the built in ASTU is amazing.
Blessings,
Wayne - NQ0RP

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 3:15 PM, J.K. Wright <wrightjk@...> wrote:
Also have an FT-450d. It has a built in swr meter and an absolutely amazing built in antenna tuner with great range.  Unless you plan on experimenting a lot with antennas, you don't need an swr/per meter anytime soon. Never had one for my first 45 yrs of hamming. Read your FT450D manual carefully. The rig can do a lot and is a great entry level rig.
Jerry, NK2C

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 3:42 PM Rob Roberts via Groups.Io <kd0wkv=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I didn’t rely to the group. I replied to John instead.  I’m not getting in a hurry.  I am planning on joining a group, however in my line of work. I work 70 hrs a week and my weekends fall during the week, not many people are off when I am.  My radio that I purchased is a Yaesu FT-450d. I’m taking my General test on Saturday lord willing and the creek don’t rise I hope to ready to get on the air when I get home. Thanks for all your replies.

I am debating on a OCF dipole or a Carolina Windom.  It will be fed with RG-8x (50 ohm I believe).  I’m not sure about the radiation or if it’s shortened. I’m a fairly new ham.

I need to start trucking, I’ll reply when I stop.

Thanks

Rob






--
 
QRP -  EFFICIENCY AND SKILL, NOT POWER. 
 
God Bless from Wayne Dillon - NQ0RP

Fate whispered to courageous "You cannot withstand the storm"
Courageous  whispered back "I am the storm"


Re: Antennas

Paul Goemans
 

Rob,
I can highly recommend the Carolina Windom 80 by Radioworks. A well built antenna, mine has been up over 20 years. My Icom transceiver's internal autotuner will match it fine on all bands, so your Yaesu FT450D should do the same.
May you pass your General test with flying colors!

Paul Goemans WA9PWP
Stoughton, WI

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Roberts via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 2:42 PM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

I didn’t rely to the group. I replied to John instead. I’m not getting in a hurry. I am planning on joining a group, however in my line of work. I work 70 hrs a week and my weekends fall during the week, not many people are off when I am. My radio that I purchased is a Yaesu FT-450d. I’m taking my General test on Saturday lord willing and the creek don’t rise I hope to ready to get on the air when I get home. Thanks for all your replies.

I am debating on a OCF dipole or a Carolina Windom. It will be fed with RG-8x (50 ohm I believe). I’m not sure about the radiation or if it’s shortened. I’m a fairly new ham.

I need to start trucking, I’ll reply when I stop.

Thanks

Rob


Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

J.K. Wright
 

Also have an FT-450d. It has a built in swr meter and an absolutely amazing built in antenna tuner with great range.  Unless you plan on experimenting a lot with antennas, you don't need an swr/per meter anytime soon. Never had one for my first 45 yrs of hamming. Read your FT450D manual carefully. The rig can do a lot and is a great entry level rig.
Jerry, NK2C

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 3:42 PM Rob Roberts via Groups.Io <kd0wkv=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I didn’t rely to the group. I replied to John instead.  I’m not getting in a hurry.  I am planning on joining a group, however in my line of work. I work 70 hrs a week and my weekends fall during the week, not many people are off when I am.  My radio that I purchased is a Yaesu FT-450d. I’m taking my General test on Saturday lord willing and the creek don’t rise I hope to ready to get on the air when I get home. Thanks for all your replies.

I am debating on a OCF dipole or a Carolina Windom.  It will be fed with RG-8x (50 ohm I believe).  I’m not sure about the radiation or if it’s shortened. I’m a fairly new ham.

I need to start trucking, I’ll reply when I stop.

Thanks

Rob




Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

Wayne Dillon
 

Sorry, forgot to include the web reference, it's here: www.balundesigns.com/content/OCF%20Antenna.pdf
Wayne - NQ0RP

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Rob Roberts via Groups.Io <kd0wkv@...> wrote:
I didn’t rely to the group. I replied to John instead.  I’m not getting in a hurry.  I am planning on joining a group, however in my line of work. I work 70 hrs a week and my weekends fall during the week, not many people are off when I am.  My radio that I purchased is a Yaesu FT-450d. I’m taking my General test on Saturday lord willing and the creek don’t rise I hope to ready to get on the air when I get home. Thanks for all your replies.

I am debating on a OCF dipole or a Carolina Windom.  It will be fed with RG-8x (50 ohm I believe).  I’m not sure about the radiation or if it’s shortened. I’m a fairly new ham.

I need to start trucking, I’ll reply when I stop.

Thanks

Rob






--
 
QRP -  EFFICIENCY AND SKILL, NOT POWER. 
 
God Bless from Wayne Dillon - NQ0RP

Fate whispered to courageous "You cannot withstand the storm"
Courageous  whispered back "I am the storm"


Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

Wayne Dillon
 

Hello Rob,
I did some searching and found this you maybe interested in, at least as a place to start. The OCF Dipole or Windom is quite a reasonable performer. RG8X is also my Co-Ax of choice as being a fair compromise in terms of size/flexibility against loss. Keep asking questions here, as a group we exist to help as well as operate. Good luck on Saturday, let us know how you get on.
Be blessed,
Wayne - NQ0RP

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Rob Roberts via Groups.Io <kd0wkv@...> wrote:
I didn’t rely to the group. I replied to John instead.  I’m not getting in a hurry.  I am planning on joining a group, however in my line of work. I work 70 hrs a week and my weekends fall during the week, not many people are off when I am.  My radio that I purchased is a Yaesu FT-450d. I’m taking my General test on Saturday lord willing and the creek don’t rise I hope to ready to get on the air when I get home. Thanks for all your replies.

I am debating on a OCF dipole or a Carolina Windom.  It will be fed with RG-8x (50 ohm I believe).  I’m not sure about the radiation or if it’s shortened. I’m a fairly new ham.

I need to start trucking, I’ll reply when I stop.

Thanks

Rob






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Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

John T. Fitzer
 

Bob I hope what I said helped. Please let me know if there's anything I can do to be of more help. Best of luck with the General exam, and I look forward to rag chewing on CW with you.

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From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Roberts via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 2:42 PM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

I didn’t rely to the group. I replied to John instead. I’m not getting in a hurry. I am planning on joining a group, however in my line of work. I work 70 hrs a week and my weekends fall during the week, not many people are off when I am. My radio that I purchased is a Yaesu FT-450d. I’m taking my General test on Saturday lord willing and the creek don’t rise I hope to ready to get on the air when I get home. Thanks for all your replies.

I am debating on a OCF dipole or a Carolina Windom. It will be fed with RG-8x (50 ohm I believe). I’m not sure about the radiation or if it’s shortened. I’m a fairly new ham.

I need to start trucking, I’ll reply when I stop.

Thanks

Rob


Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

Rob Roberts
 

I didn’t rely to the group. I replied to John instead. I’m not getting in a hurry. I am planning on joining a group, however in my line of work. I work 70 hrs a week and my weekends fall during the week, not many people are off when I am. My radio that I purchased is a Yaesu FT-450d. I’m taking my General test on Saturday lord willing and the creek don’t rise I hope to ready to get on the air when I get home. Thanks for all your replies.

I am debating on a OCF dipole or a Carolina Windom. It will be fed with RG-8x (50 ohm I believe). I’m not sure about the radiation or if it’s shortened. I’m a fairly new ham.

I need to start trucking, I’ll reply when I stop.

Thanks

Rob


Re: lcr meter

Mike D
 

I will verify the accuracy of the Peak units.  I outfit my service guys with their ESR meters.  They are made in the UK and have great quality control.

For bench work I prefer the DER meter because it comes with multiple kelvin type probes including smd tweezers, also measures ESR, and will check inductance at a wider frequency range.

If you dont use it much or use it in the field, the Peak unit is preferable for its small size and durability, though more limited in features.  

If you are mostly measuring capacitance, i would seriously suggest getting a quality VOM such as a Fluke 87IV.  They are available at pawn shops for under $200 and will greatly improve the quality of your life.

Mike kd5rjz

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 10:51 AM Bob Nelson via Groups.Io <rln37=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
The BEST such device IMHO is the digital
Peak Atlas LCR-40.  If you like to build circuits
for ham radio or any other electronics activity, you
will find yourself reaching for your LCR40 more than
any other instrument. 
You can buy it from Amazon, for about $110.

73 - Bob, K6KL

On Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 10:32:57 AM CDT, JAMES DAVIDSON <jijvd74@...> wrote:


some one was bragging abt a cheap lcr meter .are they still on the group ? lost the page 
jim kc0dd


Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

Frank Artieta
 

This is the last thing I will post here !
I highly recommend if at all possible you try to find a ham radio club in your area first !
If you do find a club , go introduce yourself and tell them all what you are up to :)
If you are setting up your very first HF Station !
The help of a real live experienced ham could be very valuable !
I say go find a club because !
At this point you have to be careful who you chose to trust as to be knowledgeable
My advice is to not get into too big a hurry !
73 de KD5ALD


On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Frank Artieta <73tuudefrank@...> wrote:
Hello Rob :)
Do not dispair !
I am sure there is help available 
Most all of us were in your shoes at one time 
I agree with John
Tell more about your equipment 
What type antenna did you build or have you not built one yet 
Why do you say stupid antenna ??
I have never owned a store bought antenna for HF use
But I think you can buy a factory built antenna cheaper than you can buy the parts to build one 
I figure there is a ham radio club somewhere in your area 
I agree with John more info is needed !

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:04 PM, John T. Fitzer <John.fitzer@...> wrote:

Well the answer to your question depends,

1.      What type of antenna are you making?

2.      What is the intended frequency of operation?

3.      Is it to be fed with 50 ohm coax?

4.      Is it a full size radiator or a shortened version employing loading of some sort?

Pleas provide some specifics and maybe I can help

 

From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Roberts via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 12:58 PM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: [4SQRP] Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

 

What do you all suggest for a new ham to do, to check out the SWR on an antenna he just built?  I really don’t have many Elmer’s around me to ask.  I probably should make the stupid antenna and take  to the ham fest where I am taking my general exam and see if someone has one.


Rob

kd0wkv




Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

Charles W. Powell
 

Rob,

There are a couple of things.  First, there is very little magic to an antenna, other than the fact that this whole hobby works based on antennas!

I repeat some of the questions that have been asked:

What type of antenna? Dipole, vertical - ground mounted or vertical?  Random wire?  Half-wave wire with some sort of matching transformer?

Critical point: What is the planned operating frequency

Do you have a radio? Many HF radios can read SWR.

Will you use this with a tuner?

What type of feedline have you chosen?

I see you are in Canton MO, north of Hannibal.  Have you checked out their club?  Asked if any hams live near you?  http://www.w0kem.com

My recommendation is normally NOT to buy an antenna.  They have the same problems as ones you make.  They need to be adjusted and configured for your particular setup, elevation, and confounding factors like trees and structures that are nearby.

  

On Aug 7, 2018, at 1:37 PM, Frank Artieta <73tuudefrank@...> wrote:

Hello Rob :)
Do not dispair !
I am sure there is help available 
Most all of us were in your shoes at one time 
I agree with John
Tell more about your equipment 
What type antenna did you build or have you not built one yet 
Why do you say stupid antenna ??
I have never owned a store bought antenna for HF use
But I think you can buy a factory built antenna cheaper than you can buy the parts to build one 
I figure there is a ham radio club somewhere in your area 
I agree with John more info is needed !

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:04 PM, John T. Fitzer <John.fitzer@...> wrote:

Well the answer to your question depends,

1.      What type of antenna are you making?

2.      What is the intended frequency of operation?

3.      Is it to be fed with 50 ohm coax?

4.      Is it a full size radiator or a shortened version employing loading of some sort?

Pleas provide some specifics and maybe I can help

 

From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Roberts via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 12:58 PM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: [4SQRP] Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

 

What do you all suggest for a new ham to do, to check out the SWR on an antenna he just built?  I really don’t have many Elmer’s around me to ask.  I probably should make the stupid antenna and take  to the ham fest where I am taking my general exam and see if someone has one.


Rob

kd0wkv






Re: Antenna analyzer/SWR meter

Bob Zolecki
 

What kind of antenna is it. de Bob


On Aug 7, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Rob Roberts via Groups.Io <kd0wkv@...> wrote:

What do you all suggest for a new ham to do, to check out the SWR on an antenna he just built?  I really don’t have many Elmer’s around me to ask.  I probably should make the stupid antenna and take  to the ham fest where I am taking my general exam and see if someone has one.


Rob

kd0wkv