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Re: 3D Printing

WA4EFS
 

Beautiful!

Which CAD software do you use/prefer?

 

73, -Lloyd (WA4EFS)

From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 7:16 PM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: [4SQRP] 3D Printing

 

Not long after the 2019 Ozarkcon someone suggested that owners of 3D printers in the club submit a sort of “show and tell” regarding their experience with 3D printing. Several members complied.

 

I was dealing with a health issue at the time (at my present age of 91.3 years that happens a bit more often than when I got my ham license in 1952) and I never got around to writing. I have had a 3D printer - two, actually, but one cratered - for several years and have designed and printed a wide variety of things, many just for fun, others for practical application.

 

The 3D printed upper and lower parts of my loop antenna were on display in the flea market at Ozarkcon. Very few people were interested in the loop and so the 3D parts mostly went unnoticed. 

 

I recently developed a simple but effective 3D printed rack for my KX3/PX3 combo that lets me more clearly see their faces from a comfortable seated position. Several photos that show the thing in use and also in its bare bones are embedded in this message.

 

If you have a 3D printer with at least a 9” X 9” build plate and the same Elecraft setup as I have and would like to print a rack for your own use, please email me OFF-LIST and I will send you the several required .STL files at no charge. 

 

Robert

K5TD

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: QRPoMeter

KB9BVN - <kb9bvn@...>
 

I think I found it....google search for Qrpometer Docs came up with this  http://www.4sqrp.com/kits/QRPometer/qrpometermanualv4.pdf

From 2012....C3 is listed as .001 and marked as 102.

He may be using an old doc?  Or maybe he has an old kit?



On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 8:04 PM nm0s_qrp via Groups.Io <ai9e_qrp=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Where are you getting that C3 has a value of 0.001 uF?  None of the documentation has this value.  In the instruction sheet parts list, assembly instructions, and schematic, the value of 0.1 uF is specified.  Please follow the instructions, and use the correct value.

73 Dave NM0S



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73 de KB9BVN
Brian Murrey

Re: 3D Printing

W6BOW
 

Robert,

Awesome work OM!

You have set a very high bar of excellence.

Thank you for sharing.

Respectfully.,

Don,

W6BOW  SF CA USA


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert via Groups.Io <rltucker@...>
To: main <main@4SQRP.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Oct 20, 2019 4:15 pm
Subject: [4SQRP] 3D Printing

Not long after the 2019 Ozarkcon someone suggested that owners of 3D printers in the club submit a sort of “show and tell” regarding their experience with 3D printing. Several members complied.

I was dealing with a health issue at the time (at my present age of 91.3 years that happens a bit more often than when I got my ham license in 1952) and I never got around to writing. I have had a 3D printer - two, actually, but one cratered - for several years and have designed and printed a wide variety of things, many just for fun, others for practical application.

The 3D printed upper and lower parts of my loop antenna were on display in the flea market at Ozarkcon. Very few people were interested in the loop and so the 3D parts mostly went unnoticed. 

I recently developed a simple but effective 3D printed rack for my KX3/PX3 combo that lets me more clearly see their faces from a comfortable seated position. Several photos that show the thing in use and also in its bare bones are embedded in this message.

If you have a 3D printer with at least a 9” X 9” build plate and the same Elecraft setup as I have and would like to print a rack for your own use, please email me OFF-LIST and I will send you the several required .STL files at no charge. 

Robert
K5TD







Re: 3D Printing

Jim Sheldon
 

Nice job Robert!  I too have a 3D printer (in fact I have 2 of them).

Thanks to K8IQY's tutelage, I've gotten to the point I can design stuff like this using Fusion 360.

Currently working on cases for the QRP-Labs clock kit.  Lots of fun.  I'm 77 so you have a few years on me hi hi.

I have the smaller KX2 so your rack wouldn't fit but I may have to work on something similar to fit it and still allow the use of the built-in paddles.  Thanks for sharing this.

Jim, W0EB  

On Oct 20, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Robert via Groups.Io <rltucker@...> wrote:

Not long after the 2019 Ozarkcon someone suggested that owners of 3D printers in the club submit a sort of “show and tell” regarding their experience with 3D printing. Several members complied.

I was dealing with a health issue at the time (at my present age of 91.3 years that happens a bit more often than when I got my ham license in 1952) and I never got around to writing. I have had a 3D printer - two, actually, but one cratered - for several years and have designed and printed a wide variety of things, many just for fun, others for practical application.

The 3D printed upper and lower parts of my loop antenna were on display in the flea market at Ozarkcon. Very few people were interested in the loop and so the 3D parts mostly went unnoticed. 

I recently developed a simple but effective 3D printed rack for my KX3/PX3 combo that lets me more clearly see their faces from a comfortable seated position. Several photos that show the thing in use and also in its bare bones are embedded in this message.

If you have a 3D printer with at least a 9” X 9” build plate and the same Elecraft setup as I have and would like to print a rack for your own use, please email me OFF-LIST and I will send you the several required .STL files at no charge. 

Robert
K5TD



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3D Printing

Robert
 

Not long after the 2019 Ozarkcon someone suggested that owners of 3D printers in the club submit a sort of “show and tell” regarding their experience with 3D printing. Several members complied.

I was dealing with a health issue at the time (at my present age of 91.3 years that happens a bit more often than when I got my ham license in 1952) and I never got around to writing. I have had a 3D printer - two, actually, but one cratered - for several years and have designed and printed a wide variety of things, many just for fun, others for practical application.

The 3D printed upper and lower parts of my loop antenna were on display in the flea market at Ozarkcon. Very few people were interested in the loop and so the 3D parts mostly went unnoticed. 

I recently developed a simple but effective 3D printed rack for my KX3/PX3 combo that lets me more clearly see their faces from a comfortable seated position. Several photos that show the thing in use and also in its bare bones are embedded in this message.

If you have a 3D printer with at least a 9” X 9” build plate and the same Elecraft setup as I have and would like to print a rack for your own use, please email me OFF-LIST and I will send you the several required .STL files at no charge. 

Robert
K5TD







Re: Hilltopper 40 working great

W6BOW
 

Hope this is helpful ...

USDA Cabin & Lookout Rental How-To's   https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r1/recreation/?cid=fsp5_030855

Don- W6BOW

SF  CA  USA





-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Benson <davek1swl@...>
To: main <main@4sqrp.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Oct 20, 2019 6:49 am
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Hilltopper 40 working great

Brian-

Thanks for your kind words!
The rig's called the 'Hilltopper' with good reason- it's my 'Go-to' rig for SOTA adventures. The fire tower is on a local summit- an easy hike... and endless quantities of wild blueberries in season.

73- Dave, K1SWL

Re: QRPoMeter

Todd Carney <carneytf@...>
 

Just a bit more on these two caps. The one from your junque box (and on the left in your picture) is probably a MLCC (Multi-layer ceramic capacitor). The one on the right in the photo is a "legacy"-type ceramic disk (most likely single layer). Other factors the same, MLCCs are smaller than single-layer caps.

Another important factor with ceramic caps (all caps, really) are the characteristics of the dielectric--the non-conducting material between the "plates" (layers) that form the capacitor. An important characteristic for RF work is the temperature coefficient ("TC"--change in value per degree of temp change) of the dielectric. Whether or not this is important depends on the function of the cap in the circuit. If the cap is being used for RF coupling or bypassing, drift in value due to temperature change is far less important (often totally inconsequential) than a capacitor used in RF frequency-determining parts of an oscillator or filter. Caps with X5R or X7R (the most common general-purpose types) are generally used for coupling and bypassing and for that purpose are made in the higher end of the range of values (for ceramic caps, anyway).

Your 0.001uF cap (and most caps spec'ed in uF) is an example. Caps valued in picofarads (pF)--especially in small values--are usually used in frequency-determining parts of a circuit and their TCs can be critical. For ceramic caps, the NP0 (negative-positive zero) types are far-more stable than the more common X5R and X7R types.

For a really thorough and well-illustrated (but still accessible) article on ceramic capacitors, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceramic_capacitor. It's really quite fascinating (but I'm a nerd, so . . . )

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On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:12 PM Aaron Scott via Groups.Io <k5atg=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'm building the QRPometer kit and I ran into a minor problem. My kit did not have the C3 capacitor. The C3 cap has a value of 0.001 and has the number 102 stamped on it. In my junk box, I found some caps that have the same value and the 102 stamped on it but it is a little different than the ones that come in the kits.
 
The capacitor on the left is the 102 capacitor that I had in stock. The one on the right is an example of the caps that came in the kit. So I'm wondering if it would be ok for me to use the cap that I found since it has the exact values as the one that is missing in the kit. 
Thank you
'72 
Aaron K5ATG

Re: WTB: CW and SSB kits to help the ham community in S2

Ruth A Mumaw
 

I have several one band units in the category you indicate. Do you have a set price you want to pay? I will make a list of you want.   Russ.  K3NLT



On October 20, 2019, at 8:01 AM, KF6VCI <kf6vci@...> wrote:


No 49er collecting dust? No receiver or QCX in a case? No SSB rig for sale?

CONUS shipping. Hope that someone has something for sale!

72,
Chris

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 6:22 AM W6BOW via Groups.Io <DBuckter=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Compelling.

Don
W6BOW  SF  USA


-----Original Message-----
From: KF6VCI <kf6vci@...>
To: main <main@4sqrp.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2019 10:23 pm
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] WTB: CW and SSB kits to help the ham community in S2

GE Lee, OM

thank you for your kind words! There have been dreadful incidents in this city: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onD5UOP5z_c

72,


On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 7:19 AM Leland Lannoye via Groups.Io <w9hifmemoria lstation=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been promoting the expansion of these little rigs for over a year now. Even in poor areas amateur radio becomes possible and the public service potential is every bit as feasible as the more expensive and exotic equipment. My prayers and regards.
Lee, W9HIF


On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 19:21, KF6VCI
<kf6vci@...> wrote:
Hi All

greetings from Dhaka. Most ops have a Chinese made H-T. HF is rare and I only found a single CW op, who has been living imn Finland.

- Hilltopper 20 (if no one sells it, when can we expect for it to besold again)
- a 40 m Receiver - you guys used to sell one.
- QCX transceiver & '5Watter' (40 or 20 for both)
- SSB transceiver, be that a BitX20 or something which is good.

CONUS shipping and I do have Paypal and through a friend, an online payment could be arranged, too.

Am hoping for a fair deal as the local guys are usually struggling financially (many are freelance engineers). No, few are on the normal $ 2 a day salaries paid in the textile industry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9UaLKbZQ0 

72,
Chris 


--
Kind Regards / Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Chris Wagner
+880 189 303 4250, Skype: hs0zfe, LINE and WhatsApp: +66 98 483 7745
Inside Bangladesh: 880 184 7305 146 (I'm using this number to call back)








--
Kind Regards / Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Chris Wagner
+880 189 303 4250, Skype: hs0zfe, LINE and WhatsApp: +66 98 483 7745
Inside Bangladesh: 880 184 7305 146 (I'm using this number to call back)






Re: Hilltopper 40 working great

Dave Benson
 

Brian-

Thanks for your kind words!
The rig's called the 'Hilltopper' with good reason- it's my 'Go-to' rig for SOTA adventures. The fire tower is on a local summit- an easy hike... and endless quantities of wild blueberries in season.

73- Dave, K1SWL

Re: QRPoMeter

Aaron K5ATG
 

Thanks

Re: WTB: CW and SSB kits to help the ham community in S2

KF6VCI <kf6vci@...>
 

No 49er collecting dust? No receiver or QCX in a case? No SSB rig for sale?

CONUS shipping. Hope that someone has something for sale!

72,
Chris

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 6:22 AM W6BOW via Groups.Io <DBuckter=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Compelling.

Don
W6BOW  SF  USA


-----Original Message-----
From: KF6VCI <kf6vci@...>
To: main <main@4sqrp.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2019 10:23 pm
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] WTB: CW and SSB kits to help the ham community in S2

GE Lee, OM

thank you for your kind words! There have been dreadful incidents in this city: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onD5UOP5z_c

72,


On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 7:19 AM Leland Lannoye via Groups.Io <w9hifmemoria lstation=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been promoting the expansion of these little rigs for over a year now. Even in poor areas amateur radio becomes possible and the public service potential is every bit as feasible as the more expensive and exotic equipment. My prayers and regards.
Lee, W9HIF


On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 19:21, KF6VCI
<kf6vci@...> wrote:
Hi All

greetings from Dhaka. Most ops have a Chinese made H-T. HF is rare and I only found a single CW op, who has been living imn Finland.

- Hilltopper 20 (if no one sells it, when can we expect for it to besold again)
- a 40 m Receiver - you guys used to sell one.
- QCX transceiver & '5Watter' (40 or 20 for both)
- SSB transceiver, be that a BitX20 or something which is good.

CONUS shipping and I do have Paypal and through a friend, an online payment could be arranged, too.

Am hoping for a fair deal as the local guys are usually struggling financially (many are freelance engineers). No, few are on the normal $ 2 a day salaries paid in the textile industry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9UaLKbZQ0 

72,
Chris 


--
Kind Regards / Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Chris Wagner
+880 189 303 4250, Skype: hs0zfe, LINE and WhatsApp: +66 98 483 7745
Inside Bangladesh: 880 184 7305 146 (I'm using this number to call back)








--
Kind Regards / Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Chris Wagner
+880 189 303 4250, Skype: hs0zfe, LINE and WhatsApp: +66 98 483 7745
Inside Bangladesh: 880 184 7305 146 (I'm using this number to call back)






Re: QRPoMeter

Lee Bahr
 

Either will work just fine!

Lee, w0vt

On 10/19/2019 9:12 PM, Aaron Scott via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm building the QRPometer kit and I ran into a minor problem. My kit did not have the C3 capacitor. The C3 cap has a value of 0.001 and has the number 102 stamped on it. In my junk box, I found some caps that have the same value and the 102 stamped on it but it is a little different than the ones that come in the kits.
 
The capacitor on the left is the 102 capacitor that I had in stock. The one on the right is an example of the caps that came in the kit. So I'm wondering if it would be ok for me to use the cap that I found since it has the exact values as the one that is missing in the kit. 
Thank you
'72 
Aaron K5ATG

Re: OT - Groups.IO question

Jim Pruitt
 

Gary,. The storage amount does not matter.  What matters is whether groups.io does the transfer or not.  They move files, photos, and emails if you select those options.  They do not copy attachments.

The free option ending in mid February so it has not been free for a few months.  It is not an automated process for Mark Fletcher (groups.io owner and programmer) although it looks like it to us.

Storage does matter if the group wants or needs more than 1gb.  Premium subscription allows up to 10gb.  If the group drops the subscription after the year then it only gets 1gb and any overage gets deleted.

Jim Pruitt
WA7DUY

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 6:29 PM Gary Kohtala via Groups.Io <gary.k7ek=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hmmm. That must be new. When I moved the MultiPSK group to groups.io there was no charge. Perhaps we had less than 1 gb of content. I think anything over 1 gb incurs a charge.

Best regards,

Gary, K7EK

Sent from BlueMail
On Oct 19, 2019, at 20:00, Jim Pruitt <jpruitt67@...> wrote:
Hello Dennis.

First of all,  Groups.io is requiring that the owner of the lists (Y! and GIO) have a premium one year subscription before groups.io will do the automatic copy.  Also please note that it is the GROUP that has to have the premium one year ($110) subscription so each and ever group that gets moved to groups.io has to pay that price so it is not the owner but the group.

Next,  the person that requests the move at groups.io must first create a new group (free at this point) and then GIO has to approve that group (name etc).  Once that is done the group owner can upgrade to premium (or not).  If the owner does get premium subscription for the group then that person has options of what they can request to be transferred.  Let us be perfectly clear though,  if the Yahoo group allowed attachments to messages (usually pictures) that attachments will NOT be copied over to groups.io.  GIO has a setting in the group to allow or not allow attachments.  Most set it to not allow.

Once the GIO group owner requests the copy from yahoo and assuming all available was selected (files, and past messages and member list) then the GIO owner must be an owner or moderator of the Yahoo group being copied or have that person then log into yahoo group and from within that group send a membership invite to transfer@groups.io and then wait.  Once GIO gets that invite and accepts it then the yahoo owner/moderator (must have membership admin rights) must make transfer@groups.io a moderator of the yahoo group.  They do not have to check any of the boxes for moderators so they are basically a moderator in name only with no specific privileges.   Then when Mark Fletcher (Groups.io owner and programmer) gets to your group he will start the transfer process.  It may take a while as yahoo may be finicky and not allow all members to be viewed at one time or may be having trouble with photos and files (like they were 2 days ago).  The owner can go to the groups.io group and see where it is in the process.  Once the transfer is completed groups.io will create accounts for all members of the yahoo group using the email address of their yahoo group membership and send them a message welcoming them to the group and telling them how to set their new password if they are not already groups.io members.

Yes,  Groups.io is charging to COPY those past emails that will be deleted by Yahoo shortly.

If the groups.io owner chooses not to pay for premium (or heaven forbid enterprise) subscription that person can copy files into the file section and copy photos but at this point there is no way for that person to copy any past emails.  Also those files and photos will then be listed as owned by the person that copied them into the files/photos section and not by the person that copied them into the yahoo files/photos section.  Does that matter?  Not to most people but some might object.  The premium membership does the transfer automatically (that is how it looks but it is not all automatic as Mark does have to do quite a bit). It also gives you 1gb storage space for the free group and 10gb for the premium group.  At the end of the year (and not before) the owner can fail to renew and the group reverts to the free group but if storage space (defined as files and photos but not messages) exceeds the 1gb space provided with free membership then anything over 1gb will be deleted and that is a fact that many may not be aware of.

What does premium subscription give you?  Besides the automatic copy of the group including past emails (if selected) it gives the owner the ability to add members manually otherwise the perspective member has to go through the join process or receive an invite and accept it.  Also the owner can add an unlimited number or invite an unlimited number but the free group is limited to so many invites per day (100 I think by the owner or moderator.

Each groups.io group can have multiple owners and it is a good idea to have it that way so that the group does not get orphaned like QRP-L appears to be or like the Kenwood-R5000 yahoo group I am in but can't post since the owner is mia and does not approve any of my posts.  The one problem with multiple owners is that any owner can remove any other owner so it needs to be someone trustworthy.

The default settings for a group are unrestricted membership and that is why some groups when you select the join button will tell you right then that you are now a member with no moderator approval needed.  None of my groups get set up that way!  Mine are restricted so I have to approve each member.  Also with restricted membership the default is first message moderate.  What that means to you is that even if you were a member of a yahoo group and join the same name or similar name groups.io group you will still have to yave your first message approved by the group moderator and after that you are not moderated (unless put on moderation for some reason).

Another subtle point is that there is an option for the owner to make the groups.io group private or public.  They are public by default.  That means that anyone (member not) can read any past message posted and can also search for the group name at groups.io and have it find it.  If the group is private then no one can find the group without being a member of the group and no one can read messages that are not members.  That is a double edged sword.  The problem is that if the owner sets the group to private for any reason then it can never be set back to public!  Ask me how I know.

Groups.io is not moving anything.  They merely copy but with Yahoo deleting everything starting shortly then I would think that people would be glad that old emails can be copied and kept.  There are some high volume groups where those emails are invaluable. 

I hope that answers your question.

Jim Pruitt
WA7DUY


On 10/19/2019 9:55 AM, Dennis Schaefer wrote:

Sorry for the off-topic post - I enjoy reading the posts but don’t take up much bandwidth here....   This would be for an administrator, I guess, and anyone with info can reply to me direct to keep it off the list.

Our administrator for two small groups I’m in tells us that he will have to upgrade to a premium membership in groups.io to migrate the files, pictures, and conversations from Yahoogroups.   These are small groups with very few pictures, no files, and maybe 1000 previous messages.  It seems that if Groups.io is really charging to migrate past messages, people would be yelping about it all over the place.  This is somewhat urgent to us because Yahoo seems to be shutting down fast. Can anyone enlighten me?  

Thanks, 73,
Dennis, W5RZ



Re: nouveau 75 Dave Cripe/Voltage Checks

KM6KJE
 

thank you thank you its a start terry

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 06:45:45 PM PDT, nm0s_qrp via Groups.Io <ai9e_qrp@...> wrote:


I did a quick check of the power transistors on the main PCB, since the SMT parts are too small to probe safely.  With 12.6v supplied, the transmitter keyed, and no modulation:

       G    D    S
Q3    7.9  9.8  11.7    FQP7P06
Q11   12   0    12      FQP7P06
Q12   5.0  0    0       IRF510

A large deviation from these voltages would indicate damage to the board, or defective component.

The voltages on the daughter board should read (during receive)

Q    E    B    C
Q1  0   .67   1.43
Q2  0   .59      0
Q3  .656  1.17  5.93
Q4  .166  .753   1.57


73 Dave NM0S

QRPoMeter

Aaron K5ATG
 

I'm building the QRPometer kit and I ran into a minor problem. My kit did not have the C3 capacitor. The C3 cap has a value of 0.001 and has the number 102 stamped on it. In my junk box, I found some caps that have the same value and the 102 stamped on it but it is a little different than the ones that come in the kits.
 
The capacitor on the left is the 102 capacitor that I had in stock. The one on the right is an example of the caps that came in the kit. So I'm wondering if it would be ok for me to use the cap that I found since it has the exact values as the one that is missing in the kit. 
Thank you
'72 
Aaron K5ATG

Re: nouveau 75 Dave Cripe/Voltage Checks

nm0s_qrp <ai9e_qrp@...>
 

I did a quick check of the power transistors on the main PCB, since the SMT parts are too small to probe safely.  With 12.6v supplied, the transmitter keyed, and no modulation:

       G    D    S
Q3    7.9  9.8  11.7    FQP7P06
Q11   12   0    12      FQP7P06
Q12   5.0  0    0       IRF510

A large deviation from these voltages would indicate damage to the board, or defective component.

The voltages on the daughter board should read (during receive)

Q    E    B    C
Q1  0   .67   1.43
Q2  0   .59      0
Q3  .656  1.17  5.93
Q4  .166  .753   1.57


73 Dave NM0S

Re: OT - Groups.IO question

Gary E. Kohtala
 

Hmmm. That must be new. When I moved the MultiPSK group to groups.io there was no charge. Perhaps we had less than 1 gb of content. I think anything over 1 gb incurs a charge.

Best regards,

Gary, K7EK

Sent from BlueMail

On Oct 19, 2019, at 20:00, Jim Pruitt <jpruitt67@...> wrote:
Hello Dennis.

First of all,  Groups.io is requiring that the owner of the lists (Y! and GIO) have a premium one year subscription before groups.io will do the automatic copy.  Also please note that it is the GROUP that has to have the premium one year ($110) subscription so each and ever group that gets moved to groups.io has to pay that price so it is not the owner but the group.

Next,  the person that requests the move at groups.io must first create a new group (free at this point) and then GIO has to approve that group (name etc).  Once that is done the group owner can upgrade to premium (or not).  If the owner does get premium subscription for the group then that person has options of what they can request to be transferred.  Let us be perfectly clear though,  if the Yahoo group allowed attachments to messages (usually pictures) that attachments will NOT be copied over to groups.io.  GIO has a setting in the group to allow or not allow attachments.  Most set it to not allow.

Once the GIO group owner requests the copy from yahoo and assuming all available was selected (files, and past messages and member list) then the GIO owner must be an owner or moderator of the Yahoo group being copied or have that person then log into yahoo group and from within that group send a membership invite to transfer@groups.io and then wait.  Once GIO gets that invite and accepts it then the yahoo owner/moderator (must have membership admin rights) must make transfer@groups.io a moderator of the yahoo group.  They do not have to check any of the boxes for moderators so they are basically a moderator in name only with no specific privileges.   Then when Mark Fletcher (Groups.io owner and programmer) gets to your group he will start the transfer process.  It may take a while as yahoo may be finicky and not allow all members to be viewed at one time or may be having trouble with photos and files (like they were 2 days ago).  The owner can go to the groups.io group and see where it is in the process.  Once the transfer is completed groups.io will create accounts for all members of the yahoo group using the email address of their yahoo group membership and send them a message welcoming them to the group and telling them how to set their new password if they are not already groups.io members.

Yes,  Groups.io is charging to COPY those past emails that will be deleted by Yahoo shortly.

If the groups.io owner chooses not to pay for premium (or heaven forbid enterprise) subscription that person can copy files into the file section and copy photos but at this point there is no way for that person to copy any past emails.  Also those files and photos will then be listed as owned by the person that copied them into the files/photos section and not by the person that copied them into the yahoo files/photos section.  Does that matter?  Not to most people but some might object.  The premium membership does the transfer automatically (that is how it looks but it is not all automatic as Mark does have to do quite a bit). It also gives you 1gb storage space for the free group and 10gb for the premium group.  At the end of the year (and not before) the owner can fail to renew and the group reverts to the free group but if storage space (defined as files and photos but not messages) exceeds the 1gb space provided with free membership then anything over 1gb will be deleted and that is a fact that many may not be aware of.

What does premium subscription give you?  Besides the automatic copy of the group including past emails (if selected) it gives the owner the ability to add members manually otherwise the perspective member has to go through the join process or receive an invite and accept it.  Also the owner can add an unlimited number or invite an unlimited number but the free group is limited to so many invites per day (100 I think by the owner or moderator.

Each groups.io group can have multiple owners and it is a good idea to have it that way so that the group does not get orphaned like QRP-L appears to be or like the Kenwood-R5000 yahoo group I am in but can't post since the owner is mia and does not approve any of my posts.  The one problem with multiple owners is that any owner can remove any other owner so it needs to be someone trustworthy.

The default settings for a group are unrestricted membership and that is why some groups when you select the join button will tell you right then that you are now a member with no moderator approval needed.  None of my groups get set up that way!  Mine are restricted so I have to approve each member.  Also with restricted membership the default is first message moderate.  What that means to you is that even if you were a member of a yahoo group and join the same name or similar name groups.io group you will still have to yave your first message approved by the group moderator and after that you are not moderated (unless put on moderation for some reason).

Another subtle point is that there is an option for the owner to make the groups.io group private or public.  They are public by default.  That means that anyone (member not) can read any past message posted and can also search for the group name at groups.io and have it find it.  If the group is private then no one can find the group without being a member of the group and no one can read messages that are not members.  That is a double edged sword.  The problem is that if the owner sets the group to private for any reason then it can never be set back to public!  Ask me how I know.

Groups.io is not moving anything.  They merely copy but with Yahoo deleting everything starting shortly then I would think that people would be glad that old emails can be copied and kept.  There are some high volume groups where those emails are invaluable. 

I hope that answers your question.

Jim Pruitt
WA7DUY


On 10/19/2019 9:55 AM, Dennis Schaefer wrote:

Sorry for the off-topic post - I enjoy reading the posts but don’t take up much bandwidth here....   This would be for an administrator, I guess, and anyone with info can reply to me direct to keep it off the list.

Our administrator for two small groups I’m in tells us that he will have to upgrade to a premium membership in groups.io to migrate the files, pictures, and conversations from Yahoogroups.   These are small groups with very few pictures, no files, and maybe 1000 previous messages.  It seems that if Groups.io is really charging to migrate past messages, people would be yelping about it all over the place.  This is somewhat urgent to us because Yahoo seems to be shutting down fast. Can anyone enlighten me?  

Thanks, 73,
Dennis, W5RZ



My follow up to ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DonD5UOP5z_c

W6BOW
 


Dear all,

My follow up to ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DonD5UOP5z_c


Ham Radio - The RS-918 clone of a clone of an outstanding open source SDR tranceiver


Respectfully,

Don

W6BOW  SF  CA  USA


Re: WTB: CW and SSB kits to help the ham community in S2

W6BOW
 

Compelling.

Don
W6BOW  SF  USA


-----Original Message-----
From: KF6VCI <kf6vci@...>
To: main <main@4sqrp.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2019 10:23 pm
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] WTB: CW and SSB kits to help the ham community in S2

GE Lee, OM

thank you for your kind words! There have been dreadful incidents in this city: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onD5UOP5z_c

72,


On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 7:19 AM Leland Lannoye via Groups.Io <w9hifmemoria lstation=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been promoting the expansion of these little rigs for over a year now. Even in poor areas amateur radio becomes possible and the public service potential is every bit as feasible as the more expensive and exotic equipment. My prayers and regards.
Lee, W9HIF


On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 19:21, KF6VCI
<kf6vci@...> wrote:
Hi All

greetings from Dhaka. Most ops have a Chinese made H-T. HF is rare and I only found a single CW op, who has been living imn Finland.

- Hilltopper 20 (if no one sells it, when can we expect for it to besold again)
- a 40 m Receiver - you guys used to sell one.
- QCX transceiver & '5Watter' (40 or 20 for both)
- SSB transceiver, be that a BitX20 or something which is good.

CONUS shipping and I do have Paypal and through a friend, an online payment could be arranged, too.

Am hoping for a fair deal as the local guys are usually struggling financially (many are freelance engineers). No, few are on the normal $ 2 a day salaries paid in the textile industry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9UaLKbZQ0 

72,
Chris 


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Kind Regards / Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Chris Wagner
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