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Re: Joplin Hamfest

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On Monday, June 15, 2015 3:06 PM, "n7net@... [4sqrp]" <4sqrp@...> wrote:


 
Are there any details on this event - when, where, website?

Regards,

Scott/n7net



Re: Joplin Hamfest

Scott ..
 

Are there any details on this event - when, where, website?

Regards,

Scott/n7net


Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

Don Wilhelm <w3fpr@...>
 

Bill,

No I don't have information to refute the phase noise situation.  My thoughts are that at QRP levels, the problem is not as severe and may be able to be ignored.  At higher power levels, it is definitely a problem on the bands.
What I do know is that all DDS units are not the same, some are worse for phase noise than others.

IMHO, if the design point is for small, QRP and portable, the DDS solution is viable, or something like the SI570.  The nice part about that approach is that the generator can be easily offset for CW receive so it can be used not only as the transmit VFO, but also changed to be the LO source for a superhet receiver.  It is a small matter of programming.  It also makes multiband capability possible in a smaller package.  How about an 80, 60 (channelized), and 40 meter SSB and CW transceiver the size of an Elecraft K1.

Once one accepts the fact that properly designed firmware can be used, the possibilities of a small display (like the 3 digit LED display on the Elecraft KX1) is not only possible, but can add a lot of function to a small package.
OTOH, that may be too ambitious for a 4SQRP kit if the programming skills are not available to make that happen.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/15/2015 12:30 PM, Bill Cromwell wrcromwell@... [4sqrp] wrote:
 

Hi Don,

It's the close in phase noise that concerned me Some hams (and
engineers) have shown that it doesn't get filtered out. Apparently you
have to also filter out the desired signal to get the phase noise. Do
you have information that refutes this? It's easy to find misinformation
*everywhere* and maybe the best I have is wrong.

I would otherwise be happy to have something like that for my carrier
generator and heterodyne channel oscillators. My notion of seven xtals
(or available oscillator frequencies) is to allow for SSB *AND* CW in
one transmitter. That is one heterodyne frequency per channel (5) and
one each for either CW or SSB (2). Still five channels with a simple
selector.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 06/15/2015 11:11 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Following a DDS with a low pass filter will take care of most of the
> crud and the low pass filter on the PA will take care of the rest of it.
> I have looked at the spectrum of the Elecraft KX1 and the output is
> clean even though the source is a DDS.
>
> With the right firmware, I think the KX1 could easily be put on 60
> meters, but that firmware is Elecraft proprietary.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/15/2015 9:52 AM, Bill Cromwell wrcromwell@... [4sqrp] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> If we want "simple" LEDs would be overly complex and expensive. A
>> chicken-head knob can point at dymo label or sharpie numbers one through
>> five on the front panel..assuming we actually use a front panel.
>>
>> I have been avoiding the DDS type stuff to also avoid the transmitted
>> crud that goes along with them.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Bill KU8H
>>
>



Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

John Lonigro
 

Maybe a transverter for 60M would be easier.  The originating frequency would be as pure as that of the source transceiver, only one crystal would be needed (I think), and it would allow the transceiver to receive as well.  Otherwise, we're talking about needing a "Magic Box" and a receiver capable of 60M, in addition to a 60M transmitter.

I personally would have trouble designing any part of a transmitter, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about (wouldn't be the first time).

72,
John AA0VE

On 06/15/2015 11:30 AM, Bill Cromwell wrcromwell@... [4sqrp] wrote:
 

Hi Don,

It's the close in phase noise that concerned me Some hams (and
engineers) have shown that it doesn't get filtered out. Apparently you
have to also filter out the desired signal to get the phase noise. Do
you have information that refutes this? It's easy to find misinformation
*everywhere* and maybe the best I have is wrong.

I would otherwise be happy to have something like that for my carrier
generator and heterodyne channel oscillators. My notion of seven xtals
(or available oscillator frequencies) is to allow for SSB *AND* CW in
one transmitter. That is one heterodyne frequency per channel (5) and
one each for either CW or SSB (2). Still five channels with a simple
selector.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 06/15/2015 11:11 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Following a DDS with a low pass filter will take care of most of the
> crud and the low pass filter on the PA will take care of the rest of it.
> I have looked at the spectrum of the Elecraft KX1 and the output is
> clean even though the source is a DDS.
>
> With the right firmware, I think the KX1 could easily be put on 60
> meters, but that firmware is Elecraft proprietary.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/15/2015 9:52 AM, Bill Cromwell wrcromwell@... [4sqrp] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> If we want "simple" LEDs would be overly complex and expensive. A
>> chicken-head knob can point at dymo label or sharpie numbers one through
>> five on the front panel..assuming we actually use a front panel.
>>
>> I have been avoiding the DDS type stuff to also avoid the transmitted
>> crud that goes along with them.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Bill KU8H
>>
>



Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

Bill Cromwell
 

Hi Don,

It's the close in phase noise that concerned me Some hams (and engineers) have shown that it doesn't get filtered out. Apparently you have to also filter out the desired signal to get the phase noise. Do you have information that refutes this? It's easy to find misinformation *everywhere* and maybe the best I have is wrong.

I would otherwise be happy to have something like that for my carrier generator and heterodyne channel oscillators. My notion of seven xtals (or available oscillator frequencies) is to allow for SSB *AND* CW in one transmitter. That is one heterodyne frequency per channel (5) and one each for either CW or SSB (2). Still five channels with a simple selector.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 06/15/2015 11:11 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
Bill,

Following a DDS with a low pass filter will take care of most of the crud and the low pass filter on the PA will take care of the rest of it.
I have looked at the spectrum of the Elecraft KX1 and the output is clean even though the source is a DDS.

With the right firmware, I think the KX1 could easily be put on 60 meters, but that firmware is Elecraft proprietary.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/15/2015 9:52 AM, Bill Cromwell wrcromwell@gmail.com [4sqrp] wrote:

Hi Nick,

If we want "simple" LEDs would be overly complex and expensive. A
chicken-head knob can point at dymo label or sharpie numbers one through
five on the front panel..assuming we actually use a front panel.

I have been avoiding the DDS type stuff to also avoid the transmitted
crud that goes along with them.

73,

Bill KU8H


SSS/T

John Lonigro
 

I guess last night's sprint was the "Second Sunday Sprint with Thunderstorms". Hope most people had better luck than Terry seems to have had. Regardless, if you had one (1) QSO or one hundred (100) QSOs, send me your results as soon as possible. I have some free time this evening to put the scores together, but after that won't have time until probably Thursday. Please try to get your scores to me by 6:00 pm tonight. If I don't get any additions by Wednesday morning, I can publish the results then. If there are additions, you'll have to wait until later in the week to get them.

72,

John AA0VE


Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

Don Wilhelm <w3fpr@...>
 

Bill,

Following a DDS with a low pass filter will take care of most of the crud and the low pass filter on the PA will take care of the rest of it.
I have looked at the spectrum of the Elecraft KX1 and the output is clean even though the source is a DDS.

With the right firmware, I think the KX1 could easily be put on 60 meters, but that firmware is Elecraft proprietary.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/15/2015 9:52 AM, Bill Cromwell wrcromwell@... [4sqrp] wrote:
 

Hi Nick,

If we want "simple" LEDs would be overly complex and expensive. A
chicken-head knob can point at dymo label or sharpie numbers one through
five on the front panel..assuming we actually use a front panel.

I have been avoiding the DDS type stuff to also avoid the transmitted
crud that goes along with them.

73,

Bill KU8H



Joplin Hamfest

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Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

Bill Cromwell
 

Hi Nick,

If we want "simple" LEDs would be overly complex and expensive. A chicken-head knob can point at dymo label or sharpie numbers one through five on the front panel..assuming we actually use a front panel.

I have been avoiding the DDS type stuff to also avoid the transmitted crud that goes along with them.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 06/15/2015 07:53 AM, 'Nick Kennedy' nick-wa5bdu@suddenlink.net [4sqrp] wrote:

Nine years ago (already??) I did this presentation on an SSB transmitter for 60 meters at OzarkCon:
https://sites.google.com/site/kennnick/60meterssbtransmitter
That was before CW became legal on the band. Of course a CW transmitter would be much simpler. I like the idea of crystal simplicity, but in this case a DDS might be simpler. Well, not simpler – but cheaper. Unless some supplier starts supplying 60 meter crystals cheap, they might be a bit expensive.
I did use the idea of a push button to scroll through the channels. That can eliminate the complexity of a display. Just have an LED for each channel.
On the first day that CW became legal on the band, I put my K3 there and made a CW QSO. I’ve made a couple since but actually I don’t get to that band often. Maybe a simple CW TX mated with an equally simple receiver would start something.
72-
Nick, WA5BDU
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*Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:53 PM
*To:* 4sqrp@yahoogroups.com <mailto:4sqrp@yahoogroups.com>
*Subject:* [4sqrp] A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

5 channels = 5 xtals?, maybe a push button to "scroll" through the channels with a simple LED indicator to report which channel it's set to?
Wayne - KC0PMH
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SSS Boomer

WA0ITP
 

Well this thunderstorm sat on the West edge of town until abt 11.  It rumbled and flashed all evening so I had to stay unhooked,
Hope everyone else had better luck.
72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
wa0itp@...
On 6/14/2015 7:08 PM, WA0ITP wrote:

A big boomer is just to the West and I'm hearing thunder, so have unhooked.  If it passes quickly, I'll hook back up later for a few Q's.



Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

Don Wilhelm <w3fpr@...>
 

The bulk of 5 crystals plus a rotary switch would be reason to consider a DDS controlled with a firmware IC, or RasberryPi or Ardrino.
The latter two options could also be used to do some digital modes as well as CW.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/14/2015 11:33 PM, WA0ITP wa0itp@... [4sqrp] wrote:
 

One thing to keep in mind is that the crystals will be special order, in qty 1000, and not cheap. 

72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
wa0itp@...
On 6/14/2015 8:56 PM, Rick Bennett kc0pet@... [4sqrp] wrote:
It seems to me that would be a great setup and very fitting for a "rock bound" application.  Even an old fashioned rotary switch would work and would be simple.  Maybe an "NS-60"...

de KC0PET, Rick




From: "Wayne Dillon wayne.dillon@... [4sqrp]" <4sqrp@...>
To: 4sqrp@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:53:55 PM
Subject: [4sqrp] A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

 
5 channels = 5 xtals?, maybe a push button to "scroll" through the channels with a simple LED indicator to report which channel it's set to?
Wayne - KC0PMH

--


Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

Nick-WA5BDU
 

Nine years ago (already??) I did this presentation on an SSB transmitter for 60 meters at OzarkCon:
 
 
That was before CW became legal on the band.  Of course a CW transmitter would be much simpler.  I like the idea of crystal simplicity, but in this case a DDS might be simpler.  Well, not simpler – but cheaper.  Unless some supplier starts supplying 60 meter crystals cheap, they might be a bit expensive.
 
I did use the idea of a push button to scroll through the channels.  That can eliminate the complexity of a display.  Just have an LED for each channel.
 
On the first day that CW became legal on the band, I put my K3 there and made a CW QSO.  I’ve made a couple since but actually I don’t get to that band often.  Maybe a simple CW TX mated with an equally simple receiver would start something.
 
72-
 
Nick, WA5BDU
 

Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:53 PM
Subject: [4sqrp] A simple 60 meter CW transmitter
 
 

5 channels = 5 xtals?, maybe a push button to "scroll" through the channels with a simple LED indicator to report which channel it's set to?
Wayne - KC0PMH
 
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Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

David Donaldson
 

Try International Crystal.

 http://www.icmfg.com/hamradio.html

Last time I ordered individual crystals for my TS-130s they were not expensive.  I suspect they will provide you with good  pricing for your project.

Sounds like a fun project.

73
Dave
Wb7dru, Minneapolis  MN

Sent from my android device.


-----Original Message-----
From: "WA0ITP wa0itp@... [4sqrp]" <4sqrp@...>
To: 4sqrp@..., Rick Bennett <kc0pet@...>
Sent: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

 

One thing to keep in mind is that the crystals will be special order, in qty 1000, and not cheap. 

72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
wa0itp@...
On 6/14/2015 8:56 PM, Rick Bennett kc0pet@... [4sqrp] wrote:
It seems to me that would be a great setup and very fitting for a "rock bound" application.  Even an old fashioned rotary switch would work and would be simple.  Maybe an "NS-60"...

de KC0PET, Rick




From: "Wayne Dillon wayne.dillon@... [4sqrp]" <4sqrp@...>
To: 4sqrp@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:53:55 PM
Subject: [4sqrp] A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

 
5 channels = 5 xtals?, maybe a push button to "scroll" through the channels with a simple LED indicator to report which channel it's set to?
Wayne - KC0PMH

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Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

WA0ITP
 

One thing to keep in mind is that the crystals will be special order, in qty 1000, and not cheap. 
72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
wa0itp@...
On 6/14/2015 8:56 PM, Rick Bennett kc0pet@... [4sqrp] wrote:

It seems to me that would be a great setup and very fitting for a "rock bound" application.  Even an old fashioned rotary switch would work and would be simple.  Maybe an "NS-60"...

de KC0PET, Rick




From: "Wayne Dillon wayne.dillon@... [4sqrp]" <4sqrp@...>
To: 4sqrp@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:53:55 PM
Subject: [4sqrp] A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

 
5 channels = 5 xtals?, maybe a push button to "scroll" through the channels with a simple LED indicator to report which channel it's set to?
Wayne - KC0PMH

--
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QRP -  EFFICIENCY AND SKILL, NOT POWER. 
 
I'm British by birth but American by CHOICE!

Jesus came to pay a debt He didn't owe because we owe a debt we cannot pay...

The Lord bless you and keep you
The Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you
The Lord lift up his contenance upon you and give you peace.

God Bless from Wayne Dillon - KC0PMH

Joshua 24:14-15
2 Cor 5:17
1 Jn 2:17
 
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Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

Rick Bennett
 

It seems to me that would be a great setup and very fitting for a "rock bound" application.  Even an old fashioned rotary switch would work and would be simple.  Maybe an "NS-60"...

de KC0PET, Rick




From: "Wayne Dillon wayne.dillon@... [4sqrp]" <4sqrp@...>
To: 4sqrp@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:53:55 PM
Subject: [4sqrp] A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

 

5 channels = 5 xtals?, maybe a push button to "scroll" through the channels with a simple LED indicator to report which channel it's set to?
Wayne - KC0PMH

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http://www.qsl.net/kc0pmh/   Under construction but please visit anyway.
 
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Jesus came to pay a debt He didn't owe because we owe a debt we cannot pay...

The Lord bless you and keep you
The Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you
The Lord lift up his contenance upon you and give you peace.

God Bless from Wayne Dillon - KC0PMH

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2 Cor 5:17
1 Jn 2:17
 
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SSS Boomer

WA0ITP
 

A big boomer is just to the West and I'm hearing thunder, so have unhooked. If it passes quickly, I'll hook back up later for a few Q's.

--
72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
wa0itp@wa0itp.com


Re: SSS WX Condx

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Hello Terry and the Group
Same here, they have been rolling thru all day!
Johnny AC0BQ


On Sunday, June 14, 2015, WA0ITP wa0itp@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:
 

Lots of Popcorn boomers in the 4 state area, I'm keeping and eye on some West of town.  I hope to make the SSS tho.

--
72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
wa0itp@...



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72
JOHNNY AC0BQ  ..




SSS WX Condx

WA0ITP
 

Lots of Popcorn boomers in the 4 state area, I'm keeping and eye on some West of town.  I hope to make the SSS tho.
-- 
72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
wa0itp@...


NAQCC Net

Scotty Long
 

Hello gang just a quick reminder that the NAQCC Midwest net is tomorrow Monday evening at 9 PM CDT... 0200 UTC... On 40m on or around 7117 kHz... Please listen up or down as the frequency may be busy at that time. Hope to hear you there. We will try something new at the end of the net. We will try a round table chat as possible very informal full QSK no net control so lets experiment and have fun...

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