Date   

Something Besides QRP

Darryl J Kelly
 

This is my baby, our First Baptist Church Arkansas Baptist Disaster Relief
communications trailer at Walnut Street Baptist Church in Jonesboro, AR,
for its first test run. Comet GP-3 up front, BDM5 screwdriver antenna
on back, only had time to test two antennas, there are mast mounts on
the other side also, VHF/UHF up front, HF in back. Running 100 watt
solar panel to batteries, worked 18 stations in 7 states in our first
test run.
Darryl, KK5IB


Thurs Morn Net

WA0ITP
 

40M was in much better shape this morning.  Propagation wasn't great but still pretty good to the Four State region. Bill had 73 degrees, Bruce had 80F, and Darryl was a t 78.  I was coolest at 71.   Making it in were:

 Thanks much gents.  

Sri I had to unhook last night but a big boomer was imminent and hit hard abt 8:20.  Lotsa rain, wind, and lightning.
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Re: Wednesday Night 40m Net

dekle <dekle@...>
 


Hi Mal,
 
Well, we gave it a try.
I looked at the real-time lightning map just before the net and knew it was going to be a bit of a struggle.
 
 
I got Woody one letter at a time and never heard Charles at all.
Well - that's radio for ya. HI.
I was happy to get the ones that I did.
...and I always have fun.
CU next time Mal,
 
73
Bill
KV6Z
 
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] Wednesday Night 40m Net

 

Holy wow was that something!

 I was the last station trying to get in - N2QFD-

 I did have some up's WA9PRP was 559 at peak
                                WD9F also was great here.
                                WN0I was another 459

  Bill you were a 339 on your peaks here in NY and it was demented with the static crashes but I stuck with it. There was another NY station trying at the beginning of the net W2SH who was very loud here.

 Guess no one heard me at the end for a relay, but then again I'm sure I was hearing things (or not hearing) from all that static!


 Best 73 to all

 Mal
 

 


Re: Wednesday Night 40m Net

Malachi Doane
 

Holy wow was that something!

 I was the last station trying to get in - N2QFD-

 I did have some up's WA9PRP was 559 at peak
                                WD9F also was great here.
                                WN0I was another 459

  Bill you were a 339 on your peaks here in NY and it was demented with the static crashes but I stuck with it. There was another NY station trying at the beginning of the net W2SH who was very loud here.

 Guess no one heard me at the end for a relay, but then again I'm sure I was hearing things (or not hearing) from all that static!


 Best 73 to all

 Mal
 

 


Wed. night PSK checkins.

Dick Hammond
 

AE5ZZ Jim, Little Rock, AR.
AC0WZ Dan Fulton, MO.
AE5ME Jeff, Broken Arrow, OK.
Rough copy tonight, tnx for checkins.
N0TGR Dick, Augusta, KS  NCSW


Re: Wednesday Night 40m Net

James Rodenkirch
 

QSP for relay? 

 

To: 4sqrp@...; dekle@...
From: 4sqrp@...
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 21:03:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [4sqrp] Wednesday Night 40m Net

 
Good job, Bill
You new flame proof was sounding good!
The Qrn was tough, but my nvis for 40 helped.
I was prepared to relay for Woody, I had him solid at 5-5 to 5-8 but you guys got Er done!
What is the proper Q code for relay?
We discussed this before, but I can't remember?
72
Thanks 
Johnny AC0BQ 


On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, dekle@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:
 

Well, listening to that kind of thunderstorm QRN builds character they say.
(I just made that up because I'm demented from the lightning crashes in my earphones.)
I did get a chance to use my new Navy Flameproof key and, as far as I could tell, no one was laughing.

Several persistent stations made it in:

WA9PWP    Paul       Stoughton WI
N5AF          Sam       Cleveland, TX (On his 1 watt 6V6 transmitter.)
KD0WF       Jim         Columbia, MO
WD9F         Woody    Springfield, IL  (This guy has patience!)
AC0BQ       Johnny    Lebo, KS   (Best copy of the night.)
WN0I          Andy       Jefferson City, MO

And I barely missed another one just under the noise.
We tried as hard as we could, but it was a no-go.
I think there was a "U" in the call? Maybe not.
A real heart breaker. Next week for sure.

Thanks everybody
73
Bill
KV6Z








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Re: Wednesday Night 40m Net

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Good job, Bill
You new flame proof was sounding good!
The Qrn was tough, but my nvis for 40 helped.
I was prepared to relay for Woody, I had him solid at 5-5 to 5-8 but you guys got Er done!
What is the proper Q code for relay?
We discussed this before, but I can't remember?
72
Thanks 
Johnny AC0BQ 


On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, dekle@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:
 

Well, listening to that kind of thunderstorm QRN builds character they say.
(I just made that up because I'm demented from the lightning crashes in my earphones.)
I did get a chance to use my new Navy Flameproof key and, as far as I could tell, no one was laughing.

Several persistent stations made it in:

WA9PWP    Paul       Stoughton WI
N5AF          Sam       Cleveland, TX (On his 1 watt 6V6 transmitter.)
KD0WF       Jim         Columbia, MO
WD9F         Woody    Springfield, IL  (This guy has patience!)
AC0BQ       Johnny    Lebo, KS   (Best copy of the night.)
WN0I          Andy       Jefferson City, MO

And I barely missed another one just under the noise.
We tried as hard as we could, but it was a no-go.
I think there was a "U" in the call? Maybe not.
A real heart breaker. Next week for sure.

Thanks everybody
73
Bill
KV6Z





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72
JOHNNY AC0BQ  ..




Wednesday Night 40m Net

dekle@...
 

Well, listening to that kind of thunderstorm QRN builds character they say.
(I just made that up because I'm demented from the lightning crashes in my earphones.)
I did get a chance to use my new Navy Flameproof key and, as far as I could tell, no one was laughing.

Several persistent stations made it in:

WA9PWP    Paul       Stoughton WI
N5AF          Sam       Cleveland, TX (On his 1 watt 6V6 transmitter.)
KD0WF       Jim         Columbia, MO
WD9F         Woody    Springfield, IL  (This guy has patience!)
AC0BQ       Johnny    Lebo, KS   (Best copy of the night.)
WN0I          Andy       Jefferson City, MO

And I barely missed another one just under the noise.
We tried as hard as we could, but it was a no-go.
I think there was a "U" in the call? Maybe not.
A real heart breaker. Next week for sure.

Thanks everybody
73
Bill
KV6Z




No 80M CW Net at 8:30

WA0ITP
 

Sri Gents I have to unhook, a line of boomers is just West of town and closing in fast. The noise on 80 is ferocious , averaging 20 over.

The storms should be past by morning so the Thurs Morning 7122 net looks ok. at this time. cu then.

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72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
wa0itp@wa0itp.com


Re: No 80M CW Net at 8:30

Johnny AC0BQ
 

Thanks Terry
40 is pretty loud as well.
Good filters help some!
72
Johnny 


On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, WA0ITP wa0itp@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:
 

Sri Gents I have to unhook, a line of boomers is just West of town and
closing in fast. The noise on 80 is ferocious , averaging 20 over.

The storms should be past by morning so the Thurs Morning 7122 net looks
ok. at this time. cu then.

--
72 WAØITP
I love this radio stuff.
www.wa0itp.com
wa0itp@...



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72
JOHNNY AC0BQ  ..




Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Maybe NOT

Don Wilhelm <w3fpr@...>
 

Chuck,

That is CW to me.� The transmit carrier is to be placed *at* that listed center frequency.� Are you being confused by the "1.5 kHz above the
suppressed carrier frequency as specified in the Report and Order".� Yes, the Report and Order specifies the low edge of the band, which is the correct suppressed carrier frequency for an Upper Sideband signal.

The confusion comes from how some transceivers display the frequency in CW.� Many indicate the carrier frequency and should be set to the channel center frequency.
Other transceivers display the transmit carrier frequency plus or minus the sidetone pitch.� For those, you must compensate.

I know for certain that Elecraft transceivers display the transmit carrier frequency and automatically offset the receive by the amount of the sidetone pitch so you can hear a CW signal on the frequency indicated on the dial.

In other words, you have to know how your transceiver handles the displayed frequency in CW - the transmit frequency or offset by the sidetone pitch.� A study of the owner's manual should tell you which it is.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/10/2015 2:23 PM, Chuck Carpenter w5usj@... [4sqrp] wrote:
�

Jim,

Here's a technical description of CW on 60 from Recommended Practices...

At 01:04 PM 6/10/2015, you wrote:
>Ummmmmmmmmmm------- one can operate cw on 60 meters and not SSB, Chuck.

-----
As updated 5 March 2012, Sounds like SSB to me??

CW Operation
CW operation must take place at the center of
your chosen channel. This means that your
transmitting frequency must be 1.5 kHz above the
suppressed carrier frequency as specified in the
Report and Order (see Table 1).
The channel center frequencies are �
Channel 1: 5332.0 kHz
Channel 2: 5348.0 kHz
Channel 3: 5358.5 kHz
Channel 4: 5373.0 kHz
Channel 5: 5405.0 kHz
Consult your transceiver manual. Some
transceivers transmit CW at the exact frequencies
shown on their displays, but others offset the
actual transmission frequency by a certain amount
(for example, 600 Hz). If your manual is not
clear on this point, contact the manufacturer. If
you have access to a frequency counter, this is
an excellent tool for ensuring that your CW
signal is on the channel center frequency.

---



A simple 60 meter CW transmitter

Wayne Dillon
 

5 channels = 5 xtals?, maybe a push button to "scroll" through the channels with a simple LED indicator to report which channel it's set to?
Wayne - KC0PMH

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A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Part 97

Chuck Carpenter
 

OK,

Part 97 states specifically that the CW carrier must be set to the exact frequency.

So, to me, that would imply that a well designed CW transmitter could be used on 60 meters.

I'd think that you could still use your synthesized SSB transmitter in CW mode as long as you know that your transmitted frequency is as specified. The ARRL docs suggest using a frequency counter...

However, that doesn't fit the category of simple...


Chuck Carpenter, W5USJ
EM22cv, Rains Co. TX


Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Maybe NOT

Bill Cromwell
 

Hi Don,

That's one way it could be done. Once upon a time some people like Collins did it that way. If it isn't adjusted just exactly so you transmit spurious crap. Applying Murphy's law... Some hams have a tendency toward "all knobs full right".

Somebody who has only an SSB transmitter (probably a transceiver) CW could be done that way (tone into the mic amp) with appropriate care. On receive you could use RIT to hear the tone you want. For me that would be around about 500 to 650 cps (I can't hear Hertz). With separate TX/RX RIT doesn't mean nearly as much (but is not useless).

If I remember...this thread started with homebrew or "simple" kit projects for unfilled niches. Hams have successfully built SSB rigs from scratch and from kits so I guess you puts your money down and you takes your choice.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 06/10/2015 03:06 PM, Don Sanders w4bws1@gmail.com [4sqrp] wrote:
So you would need to modulate a SSB TX with audio tone to simulate CW
making sure the TX was on the correct channel freq.
Seems hard way to make a simple CW TX for 60 meters.

Dr. Don HC4/W4BWS


Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Maybe NOT

Donald Sanders
 

So you would need to modulate a SSB TX with audio tone to simulate CW 
making sure the TX was on the correct channel freq.
Seems hard way to make a simple CW TX for 60 meters.

Dr. Don HC4/W4BWS

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Chuck Carpenter w5usj@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:
 



The requirements for operation on 60 meters are not so simple.

The transmitter would need to be SSB (upper only) including specific
capabilities.

You can read about them here... http://www.arrl.org/60-meter-faq

And more specifically the Recommended Practices link found on that page.

Chuck Carpenter, W5USJ
EM22cv, Rains Co. TX

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Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Maybe NOT

Bill Cromwell
 

Hi Jim...
....Chuck,

The TX doesn't have to have SSB capability at all but does have to have the SSB or CW carrier on a specific frequency +/- the mandated tolerances (not too difficult). Some hams complained that would give them a 1500 Hz CW tone, but that really is subject to how you choose to receive it. You may use a one tube blooper (receiver) if you so choose along with whatever RX tone you like.

I am laying one out to use temp compensated xtal oscillator modules (that I already have). It will include a USB and a CW xtal plus one heterodyne xtal for each channel (seven TCXO modules). And by the way it will only be the transmitter. The transmitter channel frequencies are specified. And the receiver is not regulated at all.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 06/10/2015 02:04 PM, James Rodenkirch rodenkirch_llc@msn.com [4sqrp] wrote:


Ummmmmmmmmmm------- one can operate cw on 60 meters and not SSB, Chuck...

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To: 4sqrp@yahoogroups.com
From: 4sqrp@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:59:11 -0500
Subject: [4sqrp] A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Maybe NOT



The requirements for operation on 60 meters are not so simple.

The transmitter would need to be SSB (upper only) including specific
capabilities.

You can read about them here... http://www.arrl.org/60-meter-faq

And more specifically the Recommended Practices link found on that page.

Chuck Carpenter, W5USJ
EM22cv, Rains Co. TX

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Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Maybe NOT

Charles W. Powell
 

Chuck - not to start a flame war, and with all due respect.  CW is acceptable on 60 meters, and there is no restriction that would prohibit a CW only transceiver.  

"Effective March 5, 2012  the FCC has permitted CW, USB, and certain digital modes on these frequencies. The National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) is the primary user of the 60-meter band.

The requirements are that the frequencies used be “on channel”, and implicit in that, pretty strict frequency control is needed. It would have to be a very stable transmitter. Maximum ERP is 100 watts, so it’s pretty unlikely that a 5 watt transmitter would exceed this level.  I don’t think I have enough real estate for a big enough LPDA or Yagi-Udo to have 13 dB of gain on 60 meters!

Chas - NK8O

On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:59, Chuck Carpenter w5usj@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:

 



The requirements for operation on 60 meters are not so simple.

The transmitter would need to be SSB (upper only) including specific
capabilities.

You can read about them here... http://www.arrl.org/60-meter-faq

And more specifically the Recommended Practices link found on that page.

Chuck Carpenter, W5USJ
EM22cv, Rains Co. TX

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Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Maybe NOT

James Rodenkirch
 

Doesn't all of that mean your CW signal must be dead on the center channel frequency?
 
I.E., is your transmitter doesn't have an off-set, set it on the center frequency...if your transmitter has an off-set, adjust your xmtr's window frequency accordingly....sound like CW to me, Chuck....Emoji


 
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 13:23:21 -0500
> To: 4sqrp@...; rodenkirch_llc@...
> From: w5usj@...
> Subject: RE: [4sqrp] A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Maybe NOT
>
> Jim,
>
> Here's a technical description of CW on 60 from Recommended Practices...
>
> At 01:04 PM 6/10/2015, you wrote:
> >Ummmmmmmmmmm------- one can operate cw on 60 meters and not SSB, Chuck.
>
> -----
> As updated 5 March 2012, Sounds like SSB to me??
>
> CW Operation
> CW operation must take place at the center of
> your chosen channel. This means that your
> transmitting frequency must be 1.5 kHz above the
> suppressed carrier frequency as specified in the
> Report and Order (see Table 1).
> The channel center frequencies are …
> Channel 1: 5332.0 kHz
> Channel 2: 5348.0 kHz
> Channel 3: 5358.5 kHz
> Channel 4: 5373.0 kHz
> Channel 5: 5405.0 kHz
> Consult your transceiver manual. Some
> transceivers transmit CW at the exact frequencies
> shown on their displays, but others offset the
> actual transmission frequency by a certain amount
> (for example, 600 Hz). If your manual is not
> clear on this point, contact the manufacturer. If
> you have access to a frequency counter, this is
> an excellent tool for ensuring that your CW
> signal is on the channel center frequency.
>
> ---
>
> Not finding anything that you can transmit directly on the carrier frequecy...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Chuck Carpenter, W5USJ
> EM22cv, Rains Co. TX
>
>
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Re: New KX3

Jeremy Utley
 

Hope you enjoy yours as much as I will enjoy mine!

Jeremy, NQ0M

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:19 PM, gary.w0gx@... [4sqrp] <4sqrp@...> wrote:
 

I've had numerous K2s and K1s over the years.  Other than tiring audio (to my ears) at times they have been amazing.

And now I have a brand new KX3 on the desk.  Wow!  My only antenna at the moment is a 17m doublet tacked to the ceiling .... and the KXAT3 tunes it up on 40-10 without straining.  Great receive audio. 

Now I need to get the CW and Data working.

And get that 160m antenna back up.

And maybe a loop for 40-10 somewhere.

And ... operate this thing.  :-)

Have a great day all.

Gary/w0gx
In SC




Re: A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Maybe NOT

Rick Bennett
 

I haven't posted anything here for a long time.  Here is the exact text from the latest FCC Part 97:

"(h) 60 m band: (1) In the 5330.5-5406.4 kHz band (60 m band), amateur stations may transmit only on the five center frequencies specified in the table below. In order to meet this requirement, control operators of stations transmitting phone, data, and RTTY emissions (emission designators 2K80J3E, 2K80J2D, and 60H0J2B, respectively) may set the carrier frequency 1.5 kHz below the center frequency as specified in the table below. For CW emissions (emission designator 150HA1A), the carrier frequency is set to the center frequency. Amateur operators shall ensure that their emissions do not occupy more than 2.8 kHz centered on each of these center frequencies."

CW is a permitted mode since 2012 as is USB phone, and "certain digital modes".

By the way 60m is a great NVIS band for those interested in that type of operation

de KC0PET, Rick



From: <4sqrp@...>
To: 4sqrp@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:04:11 PM
Subject: RE: [4sqrp] A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Maybe NOT

 

 
Ummmmmmmmmmm------- one can operate cw on 60 meters and not SSB, Chuck...
 

To: 4sqrp@...
From: 4sqrp@...
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:59:11 -0500
Subject: [4sqrp] A simple 60 meter CW transmitter -- Maybe NOT

 


The requirements for operation on 60 meters are not so simple.

The transmitter would need to be SSB (upper only) including specific
capabilities.

You can read about them here... http://www.arrl.org/60-meter-faq

And more specifically the Recommended Practices link found on that page.

Chuck Carpenter, W5USJ
EM22cv, Rains Co. TX

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