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Re: 2 questions

Cliff Fox (KU4GW)
 
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As far as the prosign  _..._  it's the CW prosign for BT  according to this list of CW Prosigns at http://www.kent-engineers.com/prosigns.htm it defines the prosign BT to mean----- Pause; Break For Text. That's how I've always interpreted it the past 24 years in the hobby and I hear quite a lot of operators sending it several times during a QSO. I've used it that way as well. 

Very 72/73 de Cliff KU4GW
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Re: 2 questions

 

* On 2020 24 Oct 20:03 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2020 24 Oct 14:33 -0500, Dale Holloway, K4EQ wrote:
-...- is not an equal sign. It is a double dash.
You are correct, Dale. I goofed in agreeing is was the equal sign and
Wikipedia is incorrect also on this point.
Nope, I am mistaken, it is the equal sign what no less of an authority than the ITU
calls a "double hyphen":

https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/m/R-REC-M.1677-1-200910-I!!PDF-E.pdf

Dale, the character I think you're referring to is the "em-dash" (--)
that is also used in print to separate thoughts. It does not appear as
a separate character in the ITU list. I suppose if it was needed it
would be sent as two successive hyphens.

72, Nate

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Re: 2 questions

 

* On 2020 24 Oct 14:33 -0500, Dale Holloway, K4EQ wrote:
-...- is not an equal sign. It is a double dash.
You are correct, Dale. I goofed in agreeing is was the equal sign and
Wikipedia is incorrect also on this point.

72, Nate

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Re: 2 questions

Charles W. Powell
 

Terry,

With your call, you are obligated to send the zero correctly.  If you are in a contest sending serial numbers, you can send "T" as zero, but not in your call sign.  Interesting that you *must* send your call in international Morse code, but for example, if you know landline code, you can carry on the rest of your conversation quite legally in landline Morse, provided the other station can copy and send it.  The call sign is a different matter.

The "=" is used typically in conversation instead of a period at the end of a thought.  I rarely send a "period" when I am on the air unless I am sending a URL.  Even the message handlers use letter "x" instead of a period.  You will also hear "=" when someone is thinking.  You might hear two or three consecutively while someone gathers their thoughts.  As an alternative you might hear the single dash ( _...._ ). 

72,

Chas - NK8O

On 10/24/20 10:50 AM, Terry S. Clevenger via groups.io wrote:
Just getting active on-air and have questions:
1) I've heard that 'T' can be used in place of the number 0; is this true? Thats part of my calls and want to be sure.

2) I hear the code for the '=' sign (-...-) fairly often and wonder if it's also used for something else? It seems odd I'd hear it so much.

Thanks. Good to be getting involved. 

Terry Clevenger
KE0VFI


Re: 2 questions

Vladimir Ivkovic
 

Hi Terry,

1. code for T is usually used by some hams, to replace number 0, in:
    -  normal QSOs, when stating TX wattage,
    -  in contest qsos, in numbering ongoing qso

   DO NOT USE IT to replace 0, in your callsign. It is considered all sending illegal callsign, and as such, it represents violation of Your ham license.

2. What u hear, is not sign for =. Its code for BT , 'Back to You'. Its used when u have short qso. It can be used once or twice, in short period up to 2-5 minutes. If QSO is longer, You have to use proper,  full callsign correspondence, at the beggining, and at the end of Your sending period.

73 Vlado 9a5mpv
  

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 5:50 PM Terry S. Clevenger via groups.io <tclevengers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Just getting active on-air and have questions:
1) I've heard that 'T' can be used in place of the number 0; is this true? Thats part of my calls and want to be sure.

2) I hear the code for the '=' sign (-...-) fairly often and wonder if it's also used for something else? It seems odd I'd hear it so much.

Thanks. Good to be getting involved. 

Terry Clevenger
KE0VFI


Re: 2 questions

Dale Holloway, K4EQ
 

-...- is not an equal sign. It is a double dash. A single dash (hyphen) is -....- (4 dots) but is rarely if ever used.

Dale Holloway, K4EQ
www.k4eq.net


Re: 2 questions

 

* On 2020 24 Oct 10:53 -0500, Terry S. Clevenger via groups.io wrote:
Just getting active on-air and have questions:1) I've heard that 'T'
can be used in place of the number 0; is this true? Thats part of my
calls and want to be sure.
As others have noted, cut numbers should only be used where others might
expect them but never in a callsign as my call is N0NB not NTNB.

In certain contests with serial numbers and some other exchanged
information where that part of the exchange is numeric, cut numbers are
often employed. This would include the replacement of 9 in 599 with N
as in 5NN. That is quite common.

T as a replacement for 0 is more rare. There may be an event where a
serial number must be a minimum of three digits or it is customary to
send three digits as a minimum. In the case where the serial number
must start with 1, sending TT1 is much shorter than 001, for example.
But note that use of T here is rather unambiguous. Some ops might send
100 as 1TT, for example.

2) I hear the code for the '=' sign (-...-) fairly often and wonder if
it's also used for something else? It seems odd I'd hear it so much.
It is often written as the combination of BT with an overstruck line as
aforementioned. It is also the = sign as punctuation. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code#Letters,_numbers,_punctuation,_prosigns_for_Morse_code_and_non-English_variants

It's usage is to separate thoughts instead of using proper punctuation.
It is arguable if it really is that much shorter than a period by one
dah or a comma which has one less dit and one more dah. I suppose that
if handling many messages that time added up. Of course in messages
all three are replaced by X!

72, Nate

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Re: 2 questions

n4mj
 

For second question. That prosign is often used to kill time during a QSO. Provides time to think of next thought to send.


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:50, Terry S. Clevenger via groups.io
<tclevengers@...> wrote:
Just getting active on-air and have questions:
1) I've heard that 'T' can be used in place of the number 0; is this true? Thats part of my calls and want to be sure.

2) I hear the code for the '=' sign (-...-) fairly often and wonder if it's also used for something else? It seems odd I'd hear it so much.

Thanks. Good to be getting involved. 

Terry Clevenger
KE0VFI


Re: 2 questions

n4mj
 

"T" is often used for 0s in serial numbers during certain events or operations.  It saves time during an exchange.  Do not recommend using it to replace the 0 ( zero) in your call.
Congratulations on getting the ticket and for seeking an answer to ur question.
73 de n4mj//glenn


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:50, Terry S. Clevenger via groups.io
<tclevengers@...> wrote:
Just getting active on-air and have questions:
1) I've heard that 'T' can be used in place of the number 0; is this true? Thats part of my calls and want to be sure.

2) I hear the code for the '=' sign (-...-) fairly often and wonder if it's also used for something else? It seems odd I'd hear it so much.

Thanks. Good to be getting involved. 

Terry Clevenger
KE0VFI


Re: 2 questions

KD4MSR, Scott
 

Dahdidididah is the prosign BT (which when handwritten is. BT with a line over the B and the T. Its meaning is “double dash.” Source: ARRL.  KD4MSR, Scott



On Oct 24, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Kent Trimble, K9ZTV <k9ztv@...> wrote:

Terry . . .

1)  The cut number for zero is a T.  It should never be used in a call sign.  It has relevance in CW contests and occasionally in QSOs but, in my opinion, all cut numbers should be used sparingly.

2)  You have hit upon a universal error.  What you hear on the air for a hyphen (dash) is dah-di-di-di-dah.  That is incorrect because, as you rightly state, it is actually an equals sign.  The correct prosign for a hyphen (dash) is dah-di-di-di-di-dah which no one knows or uses except a few old timers who teach Morse Code classes.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV

 

On 10/24/2020 10:50 AM, Terry S. Clevenger via groups.io wrote:
Just getting active on-air and have questions:
1) I've heard that 'T' can be used in place of the number 0; is this true? Thats part of my calls and want to be sure.

2) I hear the code for the '=' sign (-...-) fairly often and wonder if it's also used for something else? It seems odd I'd hear it so much.

Thanks. Good to be getting involved. 

Terry Clevenger
KE0VFI


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Re: 2 questions

Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
 

Terry . . .

1)  The cut number for zero is a T.  It should never be used in a call sign.  It has relevance in CW contests and occasionally in QSOs but, in my opinion, all cut numbers should be used sparingly.

2)  You have hit upon a universal error.  What you hear on the air for a hyphen (dash) is dah-di-di-di-dah.  That is incorrect because, as you rightly state, it is actually an equals sign.  The correct prosign for a hyphen (dash) is dah-di-di-di-di-dah which no one knows or uses except a few old timers who teach Morse Code classes.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV

 

On 10/24/2020 10:50 AM, Terry S. Clevenger via groups.io wrote:
Just getting active on-air and have questions:
1) I've heard that 'T' can be used in place of the number 0; is this true? Thats part of my calls and want to be sure.

2) I hear the code for the '=' sign (-...-) fairly often and wonder if it's also used for something else? It seems odd I'd hear it so much.

Thanks. Good to be getting involved. 

Terry Clevenger
KE0VFI


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Re: 2 questions

Donald Sanders
 

Terry, the "cut numbers" are used in conversation during QSO. I do not think the FCC wants them used with your call letters.
The equal sign is used by many as a "wait, I'm thinking" prosign.
Dr. Don W4BWS

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On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:50 AM Terry S. Clevenger via groups.io <tclevengers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Just getting active on-air and have questions:
1) I've heard that 'T' can be used in place of the number 0; is this true? Thats part of my calls and want to be sure.

2) I hear the code for the '=' sign (-...-) fairly often and wonder if it's also used for something else? It seems odd I'd hear it so much.

Thanks. Good to be getting involved. 

Terry Clevenger
KE0VFI


2 questions

Terry S. Clevenger
 

Just getting active on-air and have questions:
1) I've heard that 'T' can be used in place of the number 0; is this true? Thats part of my calls and want to be sure.

2) I hear the code for the '=' sign (-...-) fairly often and wonder if it's also used for something else? It seems odd I'd hear it so much.

Thanks. Good to be getting involved. 

Terry Clevenger
KE0VFI


Re: alternate net report

Carl Gansen
 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 03:39 PM, Michael McEwen wrote:
Hello all...please suggest some Web sites where I can find "getting started" info to this mode which is totally new mode.
 
72/73 Doc K5OSA 

Hello Doc,

Hello Doc,

You are on the right track already.  The 4 States gang is very good about slowing down to help newcomers to CW.
Try joining in to the activities that they offer and don't worry about the speed.

Another group that is very good at accomodating operators of various skill levels is the Straight Key Century Club.
https://www.skccgroup.com/  They have a lot of activities to participate in and the operators are of a wide range
of experience and operating speeds.  Learn how to send "QRS pse" so that if an operator is too fast you can easily ask
them to send slower.  The most basic SKCC QSOs are generally RST QTH NAME SKCC_Number.  For instance, I'd
send "599 MN CARL 1883T".  These basic QSOs are nice in their predictability of the pattern and offer a mix of numbers
and letters.  You can anticipate that pattern more often than not.  It makes it easier for guys returning to CW or those that
are new.

The ARRL CW code practice is also good.  They send at various speeds.  I have had luck with recording it and then
repeatedly trying to copy as much as possible.  Each time through you can pick up more..  It takes time but it can feel
very rewarding.

Another method is to arrange a scheduled contact with somebody willing to work with you on the air.  You might try emailing
club members to see if you can arrange a compatable schedule to meet on the air.  With email as a backup, you can contact them
during a QSO in case you get lost.

Both the 4 States and SKCC have a SPOTTIN option.  You can spot yourself and in the comment station say that you are looking
for slow speed practice.  It is a bit hit or miss that way but I have known people that had success doing so.

72/73 ( = 0.98630136986301369863013698630137 ?)
Carl WB0CFF 

 


Re: alternate net report

Mlike McEwen
 

Hello all...please suggest some Web sites where I can find "getting started" info to this mode which is totally new mode.

72/73 Doc K5OSA 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 12:27 Robert <e1dslr@...> wrote:
THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO CHECKED IN TONIGHT

WG5F ED
N0TGR DICK
N4ELM DAVE
KC0PP KEITH
KU5M JOE
WA9BNZ BILL
N9EGT WAYNE
AC0BQ JOHNNY
KC0HIO BRAD
W9YA BOB

73'S
BERT
N0YJ





Re: 40 AND 80 METER CW NETS

n4kv
 

From Eastern TN...40M was totally dead.  Noise level was decent but no signals.  80M was better with Johnny coming in very strong at times but the QSB took his signal to the very low levels.  I could hear most of the other stations calling and working him.  After a few good weeks from E. TN, I guess we all get nights like last Wednesday night.

John N4KV


alternate net report

Robert
 

THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO CHECKED IN TONIGHT

WG5F ED
N0TGR DICK
N4ELM DAVE
KC0PP KEITH
KU5M JOE
WA9BNZ BILL
N9EGT WAYNE
AC0BQ JOHNNY
KC0HIO BRAD
W9YA BOB

73'S
BERT
N0YJ





Re: 40 AND 80 METER CW NETS

John - KK4ITX
 

NADA here in Florida, no noise at all on 40m and only S1-S2 on 80m..... after 7:00p both bands die a slow death !  On occasion condx are workable lately after nightfall..... just the way it is.

John
KK4ITX 



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On Oct 22, 2020, at 11:20, Wayne Steury <waynesteury@...> wrote:

I heard Johnny loud at first and then he faded away. but thanks for the report and the net. I am getting more comfortable.

The NM station was very loud!

Wayne N9EGT
Western Colorado


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:49 AM <w2sh@...> wrote:
40m no sigs better than R4.  80m AA9AA was 579; all others R4 or below.  Not a good night in NJ.  Nice to see Bob, WB1GYZ, made a QNI.

72,

Charles (aka Chas), W2SH


From: main@4SQRP.groups.io <main@4SQRP.groups.io> on behalf of Johnny AC0BQ <jomatlock@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 22:04
To: 4sqrpio <4SQRP@groups.io>
Subject: [4SQRP] 40 AND 80 METER CW NETS
 
GE GROUP 
Strange band conditions on 40 meters tonight.
Very low QRN level but weak signals as well. 

80 meters was doing quite well.

Check in's were 

40 meters

W5GNB GARY 
WB0CFF CARL
 N9EGT WAYNE
K4KBL JERRY

80 METERS 
WA0ITP TERRY
WI5H MIKE
N4ELM DAVE
N4KV JOHN
AA9AA MIKE
WB0CFF CARL
WB1GYZ BOB

NICE TURN OUT! 
Thanks Eveyone, stay Safe! 
Johnny AC0BQ 



--
Charles Moizeau, W2SH



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Phone or text: 260-525-8933


Re: 40 AND 80 METER CW NETS

Wayne Steury
 

I heard Johnny loud at first and then he faded away. but thanks for the report and the net. I am getting more comfortable.

The NM station was very loud!

Wayne N9EGT
Western Colorado


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:49 AM <w2sh@...> wrote:
40m no sigs better than R4.  80m AA9AA was 579; all others R4 or below.  Not a good night in NJ.  Nice to see Bob, WB1GYZ, made a QNI.

72,

Charles (aka Chas), W2SH


From: main@4SQRP.groups.io <main@4SQRP.groups.io> on behalf of Johnny AC0BQ <jomatlock@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 22:04
To: 4sqrpio <4SQRP@groups.io>
Subject: [4SQRP] 40 AND 80 METER CW NETS
 
GE GROUP 
Strange band conditions on 40 meters tonight.
Very low QRN level but weak signals as well. 

80 meters was doing quite well.

Check in's were 

40 meters

W5GNB GARY 
WB0CFF CARL
 N9EGT WAYNE
K4KBL JERRY

80 METERS 
WA0ITP TERRY
WI5H MIKE
N4ELM DAVE
N4KV JOHN
AA9AA MIKE
WB0CFF CARL
WB1GYZ BOB

NICE TURN OUT! 
Thanks Eveyone, stay Safe! 
Johnny AC0BQ 



--
Charles Moizeau, W2SH



--
Wayne F. Steury, D. Min.
Phone or text: 260-525-8933


Re: 40 AND 80 METER CW NETS

w2sh@...
 

40m no sigs better than R4.  80m AA9AA was 579; all others R4 or below.  Not a good night in NJ.  Nice to see Bob, WB1GYZ, made a QNI.

72,

Charles (aka Chas), W2SH


From: main@4SQRP.groups.io <main@4SQRP.groups.io> on behalf of Johnny AC0BQ <jomatlock@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 22:04
To: 4sqrpio <4SQRP@groups.io>
Subject: [4SQRP] 40 AND 80 METER CW NETS
 
GE GROUP 
Strange band conditions on 40 meters tonight.
Very low QRN level but weak signals as well. 

80 meters was doing quite well.

Check in's were 

40 meters

W5GNB GARY 
WB0CFF CARL
 N9EGT WAYNE
K4KBL JERRY

80 METERS 
WA0ITP TERRY
WI5H MIKE
N4ELM DAVE
N4KV JOHN
AA9AA MIKE
WB0CFF CARL
WB1GYZ BOB

NICE TURN OUT! 
Thanks Eveyone, stay Safe! 
Johnny AC0BQ 



--
Charles Moizeau, W2SH

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