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Lobstercon2019! is coming fast!

Rex Harper
 

Gangue,

Lobstercon2019! is approaching fast! THREE weeks from this very night, many of us will be sitting in a nice restaurant and swapping stories at the NoHost dinner. So far, I have 36 registered attendees driving in from: ME, NH, MA, CT, VT, OH, MO and ONT! I have another 35 or so Lobsterconners who always sign up at the last minute so it looks like a crowd of about 75 at the latest count. This being the 20th year I've hosted this party, I think there will be a few more unexpected arrivals. Hope to have between 80 & 100 crustacean wranglers this year...

Skip on over to the following link if you might be interested: http://qrpme.com/?p=product&id=L19

Rex  W1REX


St. Louis QRP Society FD

Keith Arns
 

Things are off to a tough start. Thunderstorms this morning may delay the installation of antennas.  We will make the best of it.  Hope to hear you on the bands.  We will be using N0SA.
Keith KC0PP

Re: St. Louis QRP Society FD

Michael Fletcher
 

On Jun 22, 2019, at 09:17, Keith Arns via Groups.Io <kc0pp@...> wrote:

Things are off to a tough start. Thunderstorms this morning may delay the installation of antennas.  We will make the best of it.  Hope to hear you on the bands.  We will be using N0SA.
Keith KC0PP

Field Day

N2EI
 

I'll be operating 1-E QRP/CW. Keep and ear out. de Skip N2EI

Re: St. Louis QRP Society FD

Tom Sevart
 

On 06/22/19 09:17, Keith Arns via Groups.Io wrote:
Things are off to a tough start. Thunderstorms this morning may delay the installation of antennas.  We will make the best of it.  Hope to hear you on the bands.  We will be using N0SA.
I heard someone working you today. When I heard them give that callsign, I immediately thought, "Hey, I know that call." I remember it from Ozarkcon.


--
Tom Sevart N2UHC
St. Paul, KS

Re: Field Day

N2EI
 

Personally, I am encouraged by the number of stations I hear operating 1-E or 2-E. In a true emergency, anyone not already deployed to service is very likely to be directed to shelter in place. Being able to operate for an extended period of time on emergency power from a home station is a true asset that is sometimes not considered.

Re: Field Day

Paul Goemans
 

Yes,
  I noticed the same. It’s getting easier with the available power gates and better batteries/ quieter generators these days!
 
Paul Goemans WA9PWP
Stoughton, WI
 
 

From: N2EI
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Field Day
 
Personally, I am encouraged by the number of stations I hear operating 1-E or 2-E. In a true emergency, anyone not already deployed to service is very likely to be directed to shelter in place. Being able to operate for an extended period of time on emergency power from a home station is a true asset that is sometimes not considered.

Re: Field Day

chuck adams
 

Out of 52 Qs I had 6 1E contacts.  I was doing 1B with a 5W S/N 001 from a park
5 blocks from the lab.  Started on 20m at local sunset when the band opened up.
Repeat on Sunday a.m.

I got 22 states and N7WY couldn't hear me this a.m.  No DX worked, but heard.

But, I might bring up the following question and squash me if I am wrong.
Do you believe that a digital operator should be given the same per QSO
points as a CW operator?    Should not the CW op be given some credit for
the time and energy in on learning a skill that is not done without a (*&*)(*
computer?  I put this in the same category as 'dumbing down' the skill
level of the ham population.  Go  for the bucks.

For your consideration from a grumpy old guy.

chuck, k7qo

On 6/23/19 5:28 PM, Paul Goemans wrote:
Yes,
  I noticed the same. It’s getting easier with the available power gates and better batteries/ quieter generators these days!
 
Paul Goemans WA9PWP
Stoughton, WI
 
 
From: N2EI
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Field Day
 
Personally, I am encouraged by the number of stations I hear operating 1-E or 2-E. In a true emergency, anyone not already deployed to service is very likely to be directed to shelter in place. Being able to operate for an extended period of time on emergency power from a home station is a true asset that is sometimes not considered.

Re: Field Day

John KK4ITX
 

Chuck,

If I was part of the rule making committee the increasing weight for scoring would be Digital , SSB (or other phone), Satellite, then CW..... however each venue sets their rules and I guess we have a choice..... play or not.

Your points however are spot on because every other mode requires far more skills than any digital mode although the setup may take some finesse initially, the point scoring should not be the same as CW....... IMHO, but ARRL needs to address it I think.

I have been around microcomputers since ‘75, love ‘em but they are not radio and the clicking on some of the modes reminds me of playing “PONG”.....never liked the game.

73,

John
KK4ITX 

If you need a parachute and don't have one you probably won't need one again.

On Jun 23, 2019, at 23:06, chuck adams <chuck.adams.k7qo@...> wrote:

Out of 52 Qs I had 6 1E contacts.  I was doing 1B with a 5W S/N 001 from a park
5 blocks from the lab.  Started on 20m at local sunset when the band opened up.
Repeat on Sunday a.m.

I got 22 states and N7WY couldn't hear me this a.m.  No DX worked, but heard.

But, I might bring up the following question and squash me if I am wrong.
Do you believe that a digital operator should be given the same per QSO
points as a CW operator?    Should not the CW op be given some credit for
the time and energy in on learning a skill that is not done without a (*&*)(*
computer?  I put this in the same category as 'dumbing down' the skill
level of the ham population.  Go  for the bucks.

For your consideration from a grumpy old guy.

chuck, k7qo

On 6/23/19 5:28 PM, Paul Goemans wrote:
Yes,
  I noticed the same. It’s getting easier with the available power gates and better batteries/ quieter generators these days!
 
Paul Goemans WA9PWP
Stoughton, WI
 
 
From: N2EI
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Field Day
 
Personally, I am encouraged by the number of stations I hear operating 1-E or 2-E. In a true emergency, anyone not already deployed to service is very likely to be directed to shelter in place. Being able to operate for an extended period of time on emergency power from a home station is a true asset that is sometimes not considered.

Re: Field Day

Dave Belville
 

I agree completely. Maybe an email or letter writing campaign to the ARRL would get them thinking.

72

Dave, NI9M

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:16 PM jleahy00 via Groups.Io <jleahy00=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Chuck,

If I was part of the rule making committee the increasing weight for scoring would be Digital , SSB (or other phone), Satellite, then CW..... however each venue sets their rules and I guess we have a choice..... play or not.

Your points however are spot on because every other mode requires far more skills than any digital mode although the setup may take some finesse initially, the point scoring should not be the same as CW....... IMHO, but ARRL needs to address it I think.

I have been around microcomputers since ‘75, love ‘em but they are not radio and the clicking on some of the modes reminds me of playing “PONG”.....never liked the game.

73,

John
KK4ITX 

If you need a parachute and don't have one you probably won't need one again.

On Jun 23, 2019, at 23:06, chuck adams <chuck.adams.k7qo@...> wrote:

Out of 52 Qs I had 6 1E contacts.  I was doing 1B with a 5W S/N 001 from a park
5 blocks from the lab.  Started on 20m at local sunset when the band opened up.
Repeat on Sunday a.m.

I got 22 states and N7WY couldn't hear me this a.m.  No DX worked, but heard.

But, I might bring up the following question and squash me if I am wrong.
Do you believe that a digital operator should be given the same per QSO
points as a CW operator?    Should not the CW op be given some credit for
the time and energy in on learning a skill that is not done without a (*&*)(*
computer?  I put this in the same category as 'dumbing down' the skill
level of the ham population.  Go  for the bucks.

For your consideration from a grumpy old guy.

chuck, k7qo

On 6/23/19 5:28 PM, Paul Goemans wrote:
Yes,
  I noticed the same. It’s getting easier with the available power gates and better batteries/ quieter generators these days!
 
Paul Goemans WA9PWP
Stoughton, WI
 
 
From: N2EI
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Field Day
 
Personally, I am encouraged by the number of stations I hear operating 1-E or 2-E. In a true emergency, anyone not already deployed to service is very likely to be directed to shelter in place. Being able to operate for an extended period of time on emergency power from a home station is a true asset that is sometimes not considered.

Re: Field Day

Martin
 

I don't do FD for points. I do it primarily for fun with my radios with a couple friends. I seldom submit logs. But at the end of the day I enjoyed successfully having contacts using (in my case) minimal power, easily deployed homebrew antennas in the "wild" and completely "off the grid", except for the portapotty!

I usually use CW not to prove my superior skill, which I don't have, but because I like it and it's simple and works at 5 watts. And it fits my goal of just 4 or 5 pounds of gear including my antenna 

If my friend next to me used some other mode and brought 39 pounds of stuff, I encourage him and sometimes even feel a bit of envy!🙂 

In a real emergency I don't think we'd care what mode or gear someone used. We'd just be thankful that one of us got through! THAT is the important point about field day. So forget the scores and "just do it" the way that works for you. And bless the guy (or gal) who does it another way.

Oh, and stay curious and open minded. YOU may be the guy who falls in love with the next new mode!😁

Thanks for answering my CQ!

Martin
K0BXB

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 6:27 AM Dave Belville <davebelville@...> wrote:
I agree completely. Maybe an email or letter writing campaign to the ARRL would get them thinking.

72

Dave, NI9M

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:16 PM jleahy00 via Groups.Io <jleahy00=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Chuck,

If I was part of the rule making committee the increasing weight for scoring would be Digital , SSB (or other phone), Satellite, then CW..... however each venue sets their rules and I guess we have a choice..... play or not.

Your points however are spot on because every other mode requires far more skills than any digital mode although the setup may take some finesse initially, the point scoring should not be the same as CW....... IMHO, but ARRL needs to address it I think.

I have been around microcomputers since ‘75, love ‘em but they are not radio and the clicking on some of the modes reminds me of playing “PONG”.....never liked the game.

73,

John
KK4ITX 

If you need a parachute and don't have one you probably won't need one again.

On Jun 23, 2019, at 23:06, chuck adams <chuck.adams.k7qo@...> wrote:

Out of 52 Qs I had 6 1E contacts.  I was doing 1B with a 5W S/N 001 from a park
5 blocks from the lab.  Started on 20m at local sunset when the band opened up.
Repeat on Sunday a.m.

I got 22 states and N7WY couldn't hear me this a.m.  No DX worked, but heard.

But, I might bring up the following question and squash me if I am wrong.
Do you believe that a digital operator should be given the same per QSO
points as a CW operator?    Should not the CW op be given some credit for
the time and energy in on learning a skill that is not done without a (*&*)(*
computer?  I put this in the same category as 'dumbing down' the skill
level of the ham population.  Go  for the bucks.

For your consideration from a grumpy old guy.

chuck, k7qo

On 6/23/19 5:28 PM, Paul Goemans wrote:
Yes,
  I noticed the same. It’s getting easier with the available power gates and better batteries/ quieter generators these days!
 
Paul Goemans WA9PWP
Stoughton, WI
 
 
From: N2EI
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Field Day
 
Personally, I am encouraged by the number of stations I hear operating 1-E or 2-E. In a true emergency, anyone not already deployed to service is very likely to be directed to shelter in place. Being able to operate for an extended period of time on emergency power from a home station is a true asset that is sometimes not considered.

Re: Field Day

Tim McDonough N9PUZ
 

I think the ARRL should do away with the points entirely. They claim it isn't a contest so points serve no purpose. Just count contacts and be done with it.

Tim N9PUZ


On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 10:06 PM chuck adams <chuck.adams.k7qo@...> wrote:
Out of 52 Qs I had 6 1E contacts.  I was doing 1B with a 5W S/N 001 from a park
5 blocks from the lab.  Started on 20m at local sunset when the band opened up.
Repeat on Sunday a.m.

I got 22 states and N7WY couldn't hear me this a.m.  No DX worked, but heard.

But, I might bring up the following question and squash me if I am wrong.
Do you believe that a digital operator should be given the same per QSO
points as a CW operator?    Should not the CW op be given some credit for
the time and energy in on learning a skill that is not done without a (*&*)(*
computer?  I put this in the same category as 'dumbing down' the skill
level of the ham population.  Go  for the bucks.

For your consideration from a grumpy old guy.

chuck, k7qo

On 6/23/19 5:28 PM, Paul Goemans wrote:
Yes,
  I noticed the same. It’s getting easier with the available power gates and better batteries/ quieter generators these days!
 
Paul Goemans WA9PWP
Stoughton, WI
 
 
From: N2EI
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Field Day
 
Personally, I am encouraged by the number of stations I hear operating 1-E or 2-E. In a true emergency, anyone not already deployed to service is very likely to be directed to shelter in place. Being able to operate for an extended period of time on emergency power from a home station is a true asset that is sometimes not considered.

Re: Field Day

Lee Hiers
 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 8:11 AM Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz@...> wrote:
 
I think the ARRL should do away with the points entirely. They claim it isn't a contest so points serve no purpose. Just count contacts and be done with it.

That would still give a metric to compare stations - and as long as that is published, Field Day is a de facto contest - whether the ARRL says it is or not.  I mean, they publish scores by category - it definitely is a competition.  Note:  I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

73 de Lee, AA4GA

 

Re: Field Day

Dave Benson
 

John-

I've been using FT8 recently, and I'll add a couple comments to the discussion. 

Once you're set up for that mode, it's quite possible to just plunge in and make contacts.  With some experience, though, your success improves.  Especially in my case- running 10 watts- it pays to watch what's going on fairly carefully.  At that power level, I watch the signal-strength trends. It doesn't pay to call a weak station at that power level.  Everything else aside, I'm ~ 10 dB weaker than other folks. QSB contributes to the challenge- fading runs 15-20 dB on 40M and even more on 20M.  I've had several instances where our signal reports differ by as much as 31 dB. That's propagation- not relative power. 

There's also a common scenario where you call someone and they don't answer.  You're probably competing with someone else on the same frequency- and don't know it. Good practice suggests that you quit transmitting until their contact is complete. 

I think there is more is more to it than just 'point and click'. For that matter, for some activities, I simply press buttons to send CW.  In that case, the fun wears off pretty quickly. Just not my thing.   What is?- CW, of course. I ran 1B over the Field Day event.  180 contacts at 5 watts, including 28 on 40M FT8, and the rest were all CW- no buttons.

I agree wholeheartedly with Martin- it's all about having fun and doing whatever works for you. 

73- Dave Benson, K1SWL


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 7:27 AM Dave Belville <davebelville@...> wrote:
I agree completely. Maybe an email or letter writing campaign to the ARRL would get them thinking.

72

Dave, NI9M

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:16 PM jleahy00 via Groups.Io <jleahy00=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Chuck,

If I was part of the rule making committee the increasing weight for scoring would be Digital , SSB (or other phone), Satellite, then CW..... however each venue sets their rules and I guess we have a choice..... play or not.

Your points however are spot on because every other mode requires far more skills than any digital mode although the setup may take some finesse initially, the point scoring should not be the same as CW....... IMHO, but ARRL needs to address it I think.

I have been around microcomputers since ‘75, love ‘em but they are not radio and the clicking on some of the modes reminds me of playing “PONG”.....never liked the game.

73,

John
KK4ITX 

If you need a parachute and don't have one you probably won't need one again.

On Jun 23, 2019, at 23:06, chuck adams <chuck.adams.k7qo@...> wrote:

Out of 52 Qs I had 6 1E contacts.  I was doing 1B with a 5W S/N 001 from a park
5 blocks from the lab.  Started on 20m at local sunset when the band opened up.
Repeat on Sunday a.m.

I got 22 states and N7WY couldn't hear me this a.m.  No DX worked, but heard.

But, I might bring up the following question and squash me if I am wrong.
Do you believe that a digital operator should be given the same per QSO
points as a CW operator?    Should not the CW op be given some credit for
the time and energy in on learning a skill that is not done without a (*&*)(*
computer?  I put this in the same category as 'dumbing down' the skill
level of the ham population.  Go  for the bucks.

For your consideration from a grumpy old guy.

chuck, k7qo

On 6/23/19 5:28 PM, Paul Goemans wrote:
Yes,
  I noticed the same. It’s getting easier with the available power gates and better batteries/ quieter generators these days!
 
Paul Goemans WA9PWP
Stoughton, WI
 
 
From: N2EI
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Field Day
 
Personally, I am encouraged by the number of stations I hear operating 1-E or 2-E. In a true emergency, anyone not already deployed to service is very likely to be directed to shelter in place. Being able to operate for an extended period of time on emergency power from a home station is a true asset that is sometimes not considered.

Re: Field Day

J.K. Wright
 

My experience at many of our  club field days is that good CW ops can carry the day. We run 4A with 2 ssb stations, 1 digital station and 1 CW station. We typically make more CW contacts than SSB.  Competing stations and pileups make ssb and digi slower for us since we don't tend to be a "big gun" who can command a frequency. On CW, most anyone we can hear, we can work.

Remember that digital assistance to cw ops has always been around  in the form of programmable keyers. If you have played with code readers, you are aware that your ear is still the best copier. Even the data reader on my new TS590SG can't copy anything that is not computer sent. And qrm will mess even that up quickly. After 56 years of jamming, there is still a certain serenity to hearing my call come back in CW!!

Our field days are FUN, but everyone still wants to know how we did on points!

Jerry, NK2C

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:07 AM Dave Benson <davek1swl@...> wrote:
John-

I've been using FT8 recently, and I'll add a couple comments to the discussion. 

Once you're set up for that mode, it's quite possible to just plunge in and make contacts.  With some experience, though, your success improves.  Especially in my case- running 10 watts- it pays to watch what's going on fairly carefully.  At that power level, I watch the signal-strength trends. It doesn't pay to call a weak station at that power level.  Everything else aside, I'm ~ 10 dB weaker than other folks. QSB contributes to the challenge- fading runs 15-20 dB on 40M and even more on 20M.  I've had several instances where our signal reports differ by as much as 31 dB. That's propagation- not relative power. 

There's also a common scenario where you call someone and they don't answer.  You're probably competing with someone else on the same frequency- and don't know it. Good practice suggests that you quit transmitting until their contact is complete. 

I think there is more is more to it than just 'point and click'. For that matter, for some activities, I simply press buttons to send CW.  In that case, the fun wears off pretty quickly. Just not my thing.   What is?- CW, of course. I ran 1B over the Field Day event.  180 contacts at 5 watts, including 28 on 40M FT8, and the rest were all CW- no buttons.

I agree wholeheartedly with Martin- it's all about having fun and doing whatever works for you. 

73- Dave Benson, K1SWL

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 7:27 AM Dave Belville <davebelville@...> wrote:
I agree completely. Maybe an email or letter writing campaign to the ARRL would get them thinking.

72

Dave, NI9M

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:16 PM jleahy00 via Groups.Io <jleahy00=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Chuck,

If I was part of the rule making committee the increasing weight for scoring would be Digital , SSB (or other phone), Satellite, then CW..... however each venue sets their rules and I guess we have a choice..... play or not.

Your points however are spot on because every other mode requires far more skills than any digital mode although the setup may take some finesse initially, the point scoring should not be the same as CW....... IMHO, but ARRL needs to address it I think.

I have been around microcomputers since ‘75, love ‘em but they are not radio and the clicking on some of the modes reminds me of playing “PONG”.....never liked the game.

73,

John
KK4ITX 

If you need a parachute and don't have one you probably won't need one again.

On Jun 23, 2019, at 23:06, chuck adams <chuck.adams.k7qo@...> wrote:

Out of 52 Qs I had 6 1E contacts.  I was doing 1B with a 5W S/N 001 from a park
5 blocks from the lab.  Started on 20m at local sunset when the band opened up.
Repeat on Sunday a.m.

I got 22 states and N7WY couldn't hear me this a.m.  No DX worked, but heard.

But, I might bring up the following question and squash me if I am wrong.
Do you believe that a digital operator should be given the same per QSO
points as a CW operator?    Should not the CW op be given some credit for
the time and energy in on learning a skill that is not done without a (*&*)(*
computer?  I put this in the same category as 'dumbing down' the skill
level of the ham population.  Go  for the bucks.

For your consideration from a grumpy old guy.

chuck, k7qo

On 6/23/19 5:28 PM, Paul Goemans wrote:
Yes,
  I noticed the same. It’s getting easier with the available power gates and better batteries/ quieter generators these days!
 
Paul Goemans WA9PWP
Stoughton, WI
 
 
From: N2EI
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Field Day
 
Personally, I am encouraged by the number of stations I hear operating 1-E or 2-E. In a true emergency, anyone not already deployed to service is very likely to be directed to shelter in place. Being able to operate for an extended period of time on emergency power from a home station is a true asset that is sometimes not considered.

Re: Field Day

John Lonigro
 

If Field Day really weren't a contest, there's no reason to exclude the WARC bands.  During a real emergency operation in the field, the WARC bands would certainly be allowed.  The contest aspect of Field Day is what motivates a lot of clubs to participate, but the emergency preparedness aspect is the reason Field Day even exists. I wonder how many clubs would bother with Field Day if there were no scoring at all.

A person who knows CW might consider using SSB at 5 Watts a lot more difficult to make a contact than when using CW.  It all depends on skill level and perspective.  In that regard, I guess no contest is perfect, the only exception being the Second Sunday Sprint (hi).

My only gripe with some digital modes is they seem to be almost useless as far as communicating critical information is concerned. During Field Day, call sign, class, and section name might be important, but during an emergency, more information than that is required to make the mode useful.  If the purpose of Field Day is to practice skills required to set up an emergency station "in the field", then maybe digital modes that aren't practical during an emergency shouldn't be allowed during this particular contest.  In the aftermath of a hurricane, no ham in the affected area is going to think this is a good time to try to work all states.

72,
John, AA0VE
4SQRP Contest Coordinator

Re: Field Day

Dennis Shelton
 

If you want to QSO on digital, try JS8Call.  If you just want quick
contacts and signal reports, stick with FT8.

On 6/24/2019 9:50 AM, John Lonigro wrote:
If Field Day really weren't a contest, there's no reason to exclude
the WARC bands.  During a real emergency operation in the field, the
WARC bands would certainly be allowed.  The contest aspect of Field
Day is what motivates a lot of clubs to participate, but the emergency
preparedness aspect is the reason Field Day even exists. I wonder how
many clubs would bother with Field Day if there were no scoring at all.

A person who knows CW might consider using SSB at 5 Watts a lot more
difficult to make a contact than when using CW.  It all depends on
skill level and perspective.  In that regard, I guess no contest is
perfect, the only exception being the Second Sunday Sprint (hi).

My only gripe with some digital modes is they seem to be almost
useless as far as communicating critical information is concerned.
During Field Day, call sign, class, and section name might be
important, but during an emergency, more information than that is
required to make the mode useful.  If the purpose of Field Day is to
practice skills required to set up an emergency station "in the
field", then maybe digital modes that aren't practical during an
emergency shouldn't be allowed during this particular contest.  In the
aftermath of a hurricane, no ham in the affected area is going to
think this is a good time to try to work all states.

72,
John, AA0VE
4SQRP Contest Coordinator





Re: Field Day

Don, W9EBK
 

Chuck, 
I have long thought ARRL Field Day rules need a makeover.  The last time I spoke with anyone at the League about it, they weren't interested in new ideas.

When digital was RTTY and PSK-31 it seemed reasonable to equate its value to CW. CW takes more operator skill,  but Digital is more valuable to Emergency Management as it allows more possible routes for the message and less chance of spelling errors.  So from an emergency perspective I can see parody in them.  While the Free Text line in FT-8 can convey a real Field Day exchange,  I think few operators would use it for such a purpose, and it would take awhile to do it. RTTY and PSK-31 may still be King for Field Day type exchanges.

The other thing I think is way overdue for updating is the Battery class.  Apparently the ARRL thinks it's only possible to run 5 watts from a battery and solar panel.  Our Club has been running 100 watt transmitters on battery power for the last 20 years,  but can't claim it because the rules restrict Battery to 5 watts or less. This is not to be confused with the Power Multiplier for QRP, 150 watts, or 1.5 KW. 
Any thoughts about other things that should be suggested to the League.  (Keep it nice )
Don, W9EBK 

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 10:06 PM chuck adams <chuck.adams.k7qo@...> wrote:
Out of 52 Qs I had 6 1E contacts.  I was doing 1B with a 5W S/N 001 from a park
5 blocks from the lab.  Started on 20m at local sunset when the band opened up.
Repeat on Sunday a.m.

I got 22 states and N7WY couldn't hear me this a.m.  No DX worked, but heard.

But, I might bring up the following question and squash me if I am wrong.
Do you believe that a digital operator should be given the same per QSO
points as a CW operator?    Should not the CW op be given some credit for
the time and energy in on learning a skill that is not done without a (*&*)(*
computer?  I put this in the same category as 'dumbing down' the skill
level of the ham population.  Go  for the bucks.

For your consideration from a grumpy old guy.

chuck, k7qo

On 6/23/19 5:28 PM, Paul Goemans wrote:
Yes,
  I noticed the same. It’s getting easier with the available power gates and better batteries/ quieter generators these days!
 
Paul Goemans WA9PWP
Stoughton, WI
 
 
From: N2EI
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@4SQRP.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Field Day
 
Personally, I am encouraged by the number of stations I hear operating 1-E or 2-E. In a true emergency, anyone not already deployed to service is very likely to be directed to shelter in place. Being able to operate for an extended period of time on emergency power from a home station is a true asset that is sometimes not considered.

Re: Field Day

Lee
 

We ran FT-8 down here in Tampa (2A with GOTA and VHF), but I wish that we had run JS-8 instead. Digital makes sense if and only if real traffic can be carried. The Free Text line in FT-8 is really only useful if you have abbreviations that are well understood or you publish a specific set to use (to avoid being dinged for using ciphers). JS-8 allows for open-ended messaging. Maybe ARRL should consider promoting a mode that is technically advanced and is truly functional for communications during emergencies……………………………just as CW is………………………..

 

Lee KX4TT

 

From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Pitchford
Sent: Monday, 24 June, 2019 12:43
To: main@4sqrp.groups.io
Subject: Re: [4SQRP] Field Day

 

Chuck, 

I have long thought ARRL Field Day rules need a makeover.  The last time I spoke with anyone at the League about it, they weren't interested in new ideas.

 

When digital was RTTY and PSK-31 it seemed reasonable to equate its value to CW. CW takes more operator skill,  but Digital is more valuable to Emergency Management as it allows more possible routes for the message and less chance of spelling errors.  So from an emergency perspective I can see parody in them.  While the Free Text line in FT-8 can convey a real Field Day exchange,  I think few operators would use it for such a purpose, and it would take awhile to do it. RTTY and PSK-31 may still be King for Field Day type exchanges.

 

Don, W9EBK 

 

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 10:06 PM chuck adams <chuck.adams.k7qo@...> wrote:



But, I might bring up the following question and squash me if I am wrong.
Do you believe that a digital operator should be given the same per QSO
points as a CW operator?   

For your consideration from a grumpy old guy.

chuck, k7qo

Re: Field Day

Brian Crittendon
 

Wait, Wait, are you telling me that Field Day is just not about the food? Mark/WQ8S