Date
1 - 20 of 27
PigRig Resistor Values
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Lee Mairs (SAG) <lmairs@...>
I may be having a brain fart, but I cannot recognize the abbreviations of resistor values in the parts list. For example, 4M7, 4K7, 5K6. Can someone break the code for me??
73 de Lee KM4YY
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John DeJournett
4M7 = 4.7 Mega Ohms or 4 Million 700 thousand ohms. similarly, 4K7 is 4.7 Thousand ohms and 5K6 is 5.6 Thousand ohms. John DeJournett, KD0JXN
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Lee Mairs (SAG) <lmairs@...> wrote:
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Robert 'RC' Conley <rc.kc5wa@...>
4m7= 4.7m ohm
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4k7=4.7k ohm 5k6=5.6k ohm 4r2= 4.2 ohm
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Lee Mairs (SAG) <lmairs@...> wrote:
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Bill Cromwell
On Thu, 2013-03-21 at 17:49 -0400, Lee Mairs (SAG) wrote:
Hi Lee, It's just a newfangled notation. You already knew that K=1,000 and M=1,000,000. They put the M or the K where the decimal point goes. If it's smaller than 1K then they use an R (presumably for resistor). Can you imagine how small a decimal point would be on today's tiny resistors! 73, Bill KU8H
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W0IIT
Nothing new fangled about it. That is the way those designations have been done for years in the electronics businesses and hobbyist in Great Britain for many years.
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Just to add a bit of context, the format of an R value such as 4K7 is being adopted by many as a way of avoid the confusion sometimes caused by Americans using a "." as a decimal point and Europeans using "," for that purpose. So rather than use either, a K or M is used as a separator. It's also easier to read in case printing is faint or otherwise hard to read. A speck of black dust could be mistaken for a decimal point, or an easily-obliterated "." would also be problematic. It's not so easy for a capital K or M to be taken for something else, and since they refer to ancient Greek prefixes, they pose no language barriers.
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73,
Todd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ K7TFC / Medford, Oregon, USA / CN82ni / UTC-8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ QRP (CW & SSB) / EmComm / SOTA / Homebrew / Design
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Robert 'RC' Conley <rc.kc5wa@...> wrote:
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Bill Cromwell
On Thu, 2013-03-21 at 17:49 -0400, Lee Mairs (SAG) wrote:
Looks like Lee ain't in Great Britain. I'm not, too. It's newfangled here. 73, Bill KU8H
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Bill Cromwell
Yup,
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It's a good idea. 73, Bill KU8H
On Thu, 2013-03-21 at 15:40 -0700, Todd F. Carney / K7TFC wrote:
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Wayne Dillon
No Bill, Not newfangled. the Europeans have been doing it that way for years. Using K or M as the seperator instead of a decimal point is simply a way of making the value less suceptable to mis-interpretation, so, instead of 4.7K we have 4K7 or, instead of 1.2Meg we have 1M2. Similarly when the value is less that 1K for example 680 ohms the munber 680 is used. 500K is still 500K.
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I took my engineering qualifications in the UK while employed by the Marconi Company in Chelmsford so I guess it's "normal electronics" language to me. Hope this helps 72/3 es God Bless de Wayne - KC0PMH
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell@...> wrote:
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Wayne Dillon
Careful, 4m7 means 4.7 miliohms, 4M7 means 4.7 Megohms.
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Wayne - KC0PMH
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Robert 'RC' Conley <rc.kc5wa@...> wrote:
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http://www.qsl.net/kc0pmh/ Under construction but please visit anyway.
QRP - EFFICIENCY AND SKILL, NOT POWER.
I'm British by birth but American by CHOICE! Jesus came to pay a debt He didn't owe because we owe a debt we cannot pay... The Lord bless you and keep you The Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you The Lord lift up his contenance upon you and give you peace. God Bless from Wayne Dillon - KC0PMH Joshua 24:14-15 2 Cor 5:17 1 Jn 2:17 4 State QRP Group NCS - 40m & 160m 4SQRP #95
FPQRP #342 (Flying Pigs QRP Club) G-QRP-C #11504 NAQCC # 0759
QRP-ARCI #11505 SKCC #1155 SOC #848 30MDG#1176 NEQRP #693 GORC #192
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Wayne Dillon
Careful,
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4M7 meand 4million 7000 ohms. Wayne - KC0PMH
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:55 PM, John DeJournett <j.dejourn@...> wrote:
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http://www.qsl.net/kc0pmh/ Under construction but please visit anyway.
QRP - EFFICIENCY AND SKILL, NOT POWER.
I'm British by birth but American by CHOICE! Jesus came to pay a debt He didn't owe because we owe a debt we cannot pay... The Lord bless you and keep you The Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you The Lord lift up his contenance upon you and give you peace. God Bless from Wayne Dillon - KC0PMH Joshua 24:14-15 2 Cor 5:17 1 Jn 2:17 4 State QRP Group NCS - 40m & 160m 4SQRP #95
FPQRP #342 (Flying Pigs QRP Club) G-QRP-C #11504 NAQCC # 0759
QRP-ARCI #11505 SKCC #1155 SOC #848 30MDG#1176 NEQRP #693 GORC #192
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davemrtn
Not as flawless as claimed..... one typo can make a big difference, or maybe that is - one typo can make SMOKE !!! I see NOTHING wrong with the good ol' American way, heck I still like Cycles Per Second (cps) and micro micro Farad (uuF).
On 03/21/2013 06:27 PM, Wayne Dillon wrote:
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John Hill <n9rlojrh@...>
I'd not heard of that before. I'm all for making resistor values easier to read. I'm color blind and I really have a tough time. Plus my eyes are getting older. John Hill N9RLO
-- N9RLO John Hill
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WA0ITP
Yep, Cycles and Mickey Mikes have been with us
for a looong time. It still hurts to use Hertz sometimes.
---------------------------------- I love this radio stuff ! 72 WAØITP www.wa0itp.com www.4sqrp.com www.qrpspots.com
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WA0ITP
I hear ya John,
I don't even try to read the bands on the 1% resistors
anymore, or the 1/8 watters. I just panic and grab the
ohmmeter.
OK, back to Ocon stuff, it's coming up fast.
---------------------------------- I love this radio stuff ! 72 WAØITP www.wa0itp.com www.4sqrp.com www.qrpspots.com
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Herb Graeber
I agree! There was nothing wrong with mmF
when they
decided to use pF and now...what the heck is a
nF?
I know what it is but guess I am just getting
old. :>)
72...Herb K5HG
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Bill Cromwell
On Thu, 2013-03-21 at 18:23 -0500, Wayne Dillon wrote:
No Bill, Not newfangled. the Europeans have been doing it that way forHi, I believe I pointed out that Lee, the original poster has a K call as do I. Not a G call. Not F...etc. For *US* this marking method *IS* newfangled so my statement stands. Somewhere in the thread I said in so many words it's a good idea. In my post that brought up the "newfangled" word I even said why it's a good idea without saying it's a good idea - assuming everybody would infer that it's a good idea. So I went and looked in my 1988 ARRL Handbook. Most of us U.S. amateurs used those or very similar U.S. publications to learn about radios and get licenses. As of 1988 there is no reference to this marking method. There is also no real reason to buy a newer handbook. The principles of radio and the physics behind them have not been repealed. Probably later Handbooks *do* reference those marking methods. I have already known about them for a long while. "Newfangled" means only that something is a new way of doing things. It has no implications about good or bad. So it seems it really is a new way of doing things (later than 1988). At least for grey haired U.S. amateurs. By the way, I have seen several ways each of drawing symbols for tubes, transistors, resistors and other parts on schematics. I think having different ways of doing things is cool. If we see something we don't know about it should be okay to ask. And to reply. Lets let this lie and get on with QRP discussions however the parts are marked. 73, Bill KU8H
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w2sh@...
Aha, Now get a load of this one. Today I started a Hi-Per-Mite kit. Parts count went OK except there was no 750K resistor, or so I was convinced. There was a wee thingy that I believed to be the D1 diode that one is supposed to omit. I searched my resistor stash, and finding no 750K I had 680K and 68K resistors I was planning to put in series as an ugly substitute. I then looked at the nice photos on the site and there was the "D1 diode" mounted where the 750K (R9) was indicated. Ah so? Measuring that "diode" with an Ohmmeter I got 748K Ohms; I switched the meter's leads and got 748 Ohms again. That little sucker was no diode, it probably was my "missing" 750K resistor. With a strong light and a 4X jeweler's loupe stuck in my eye socket I'm able to discern the colored bands. Of course I'm looking for Violet-Green-Yellow-Gold. Whoa, they ain't there! Instead I have Violet-Green-Black-Orange-Gold. Ponder that for a moment and you'll realize it works out to the same as Violet-Green-Yellow-Gold. I suppose change is supposed to make life more interesting, but what is the point of change if it is unnecessary? Why does a customary four-colored band resistor marking need to be replaced by a five-colored-band one? Answers??? 72, Charles, W2SH To: 4sqrp@... From: wa0itp@... Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:56:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [4sqrp] Re: PigRig Resistor Values I hear ya John,
I don't even try to read the bands on the 1% resistors
anymore, or the 1/8 watters. I just panic and grab the
ohmmeter.
OK, back to Ocon stuff, it's coming up fast.
---------------------------------- I love this radio stuff ! 72 WAØITP www.wa0itp.com www.4sqrp.com www.qrpspots.com
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Charles, In the downloads from the 4SQRP site there is a site that is very good to use to determine color codes for resistors and it has the four band, five band, etc.... all the different types. I think the 5 band ones are 1% or at least 5% (I am on vacation in Kansas so can't go to my shack and find a better answer). Here is the site as I had it on my laptop: I, too, use an ohm meter on all resistors and found in the SS-40 receiver kit some of the chokes were missing..... yes, you figured it out, they looked like resistors to me and I wondered why I had some extra resistors (with weird readings that didn't match the band colors) and was short three chokes...... as I went along building I discovered my error as some of the chokes were tan and "egg" shaped and easily recognizable as chokes like I had seen in other kits but the rest were blue like the 5% resistors in the kit. Thank God for my AADE capacitor/inductance meter as it helped me figure out where I was wrong. Anyway, I hope my learning experience helps you and others in building kits and avoiding misreading the parts. Dave K8WPE
From: Charles Moizeau To: 4SQRP <4sqrp@...>; Terry Fletcher Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:57 PM Subject: RE: [4sqrp] Re: PigRig Resistor Values
Aha,
Now get a load of this one. Today I started a Hi-Per-Mite kit. Parts count went OK except there was no 750K resistor, or so I was convinced. There was a wee thingy that I believed to be the D1 diode that one is supposed to omit. I searched my resistor stash, and finding no 750K I had 680K and 68K resistors I was planning to put in series as an ugly substitute. I then looked at the nice photos on the site and there was the "D1 diode" mounted where the 750K (R9) was indicated. Ah so? Measuring that "diode" with an Ohmmeter I got 748K Ohms; I switched the meter's leads and got 748 Ohms again. That little sucker was no diode, it probably was my "missing" 750K resistor. With a strong light and a 4X jeweler's loupe stuck in my eye socket I'm able to discern the colored bands. Of course I'm looking for Violet-Green-Yellow-Gold. Whoa, they ain't there! Instead I have Violet-Green-Black-Orange-Gold. Ponder that for a moment and you'll realize it works out to the same as Violet-Green-Yellow-Gold. I suppose change is supposed to make life more interesting, but what is the point of change if it is unnecessary? Why does a customary four-colored band resistor marking need to be replaced by a five-colored-band one? Answers??? 72, Charles, W2SH To: 4sqrp@... I hear ya John,
I don't even try to read the bands on the 1% resistors
anymore, or the 1/8 watters. I just panic and grab the
ohmmeter.
OK, back to Ocon stuff, it's coming up fast.
---------------------------------- I love this radio stuff ! 72 WAØITP http://www.wa0itp.com/ http://www.4sqrp.com/ http://www.qrpspots.com/
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I think for 5-banded resistors, the band just before the tolerance band indicates the Tc or temperature coefficient in ppm, parts per million per degree C.
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I have an extremely-useful App on my Android phone called ElectroDroid. It has a few dozen functions, including color-code calculators for resistors, capacitors (some are still color-coded), and inductors. By calculator I mean that you touch the color you want for each band and it displays the R, the tolerance, and depending on how many bands, the other specs as well. It has a very impressive user interface.
I got it from the Android store, now called Google Play, I believe. I don't know if there's an iPhone version or not.
73,
Todd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ K7TFC / Medford, Oregon, USA / CN82ni / UTC-8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ QRP (CW & SSB) / EmComm / SOTA / Homebrew / Design
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:29 PM, David Wilcox <djwilcox01@...> wrote:
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