moderated My apologies
I didn't think I had done anything wrong when I sought information for something which was not a commercial product, but rather a QRP transmitter circuit published in QST 39 years ago. True there was a circuit board that I had which was made by a company which no longer exists and I had a bunch of components which were made by companies which may or may not still exist.
Since it related to a non-commercial old-time QST project, I don't know what I did wrong to get my query deleted...I am hesitant to ask anything about QRP equipment unless it is something sold by 4SQRP, as I don't understand what I did wrong and am afraid to talk about any QRP circuit which is not for a 4SQRP product. EuGene, KA5NLY
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Jess Gypin
Nothing wrong
On Jan 1, 2021, at 10:53 AM, bigusmith via groups.io <bigusmith@...> wrote:
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Jess Gypin
That I can see anyway maybe I am wrong also. Apologies
On Jan 1, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Jess Gypin via groups.io <ontarget1911@...> wrote:
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For the life of me I don't know what I did or said that was wrong, but the thread about that old QST project got removed, so I must have stepped one some toes. In a most innocent manner I was just trying to get some information about it, if it would still be usable under current FCC standards, and was it worth building. I didn't even have a circuit for it and didn't have a copy of the 39 year old QST that had the project in it.
Anyhoo, even though it was not a commercial kit by some other source, not 4SQRP, it still cannot be mentioned on here. Please don't ask me any questions about my station, because I have some non-4SQRP rigs and cannot name them on here.
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Dale Putnam
Might also want to be cautious about mentioning a popular vacation destination too..
that is also apparently forbidden, even tho there is a lot of 4S members that travel to it,
and while at that particular destination operate their QRP rigs from 4SQRP.
Have a great day,
Dale - WC7S in Wy
"Actions speak louder than words"
From: main@4SQRP.groups.io <main@4SQRP.groups.io> on behalf of bigusmith via groups.io <bigusmith@...>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 12:36 PM To: main@4SQRP.groups.io <main@4SQRP.groups.io> Subject: Re: [4SQRP] My apologies For the life of me I don't know what I did or said that was wrong, but the thread about that old QST project got removed, so I must have stepped one some toes. In a most innocent manner I was just trying to get some information about it, if it would still
be usable under current FCC standards, and was it worth building. I didn't even have a circuit for it and didn't have a copy of the 39 year old QST that had the project in it. Anyhoo, even though it was not a commercial kit by some other source, not 4SQRP, it still cannot be mentioned on here. Please don't ask me any questions about my station, because I have some non-4SQRP rigs and cannot name them on here.
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n4mj
Laugh with me. LOL or HI HI Reading two comments about things not allowed on this thread. Dale, as I recall, you got 'flamed' for mentioning Cheyenne Days last year. So, without a doubt comments need to be about 4SQRP or their kits/equipment. I was mildly irritated by a couple of unnecessary comments about Christmas wishes on here. After a couple of days the moderator(s) came out with a bureaucratic comment about that one. Well, it is 'their' thread. 73 de n4mj “PLEASE REMOVE all email addresses before you send it on and use BCC option when forwarding" Thank you!
On Friday, January 1, 2021, 01:51:10 PM CST, Dale Putnam <daleputnam@...> wrote:
Might also want to be cautious about mentioning a popular vacation destination too..
that is also apparently forbidden, even tho there is a lot of 4S members that travel to it,
and while at that particular destination operate their QRP rigs from 4SQRP.
Have a great day,
Dale - WC7S in Wy
"Actions speak louder than words"
From: main@4SQRP.groups.io <main@4SQRP.groups.io> on behalf of bigusmith via groups.io <bigusmith@...>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 12:36 PM To: main@4SQRP.groups.io <main@4SQRP.groups.io> Subject: Re: [4SQRP] My apologies For the life of me I don't know what I did or said that was wrong, but the thread about that old QST project got removed, so I must have stepped one some toes. In a most innocent manner I was just trying to get some information about it, if it would still
be usable under current FCC standards, and was it worth building. I didn't even have a circuit for it and didn't have a copy of the 39 year old QST that had the project in it.
Anyhoo, even though it was not a commercial kit by some other source, not 4SQRP, it still cannot be mentioned on here. Please don't ask me any questions about my station, because I have some non-4SQRP rigs and cannot name them on here.
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Oh well, as us Arkie hillbillies say, "C'est la guerre, c'est l'amour, c'est la vie, c'est la moderateur." (Ain't that what we usually say, Ma?)
Smiff
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Tim N9PUZ
EuGene,
I do not see anything in the group's moderator actions log that looks like your message was deleted by an owner/moderator. Tim N9PUZ 4SQRP List Co-Moderator
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Hello Eugene, Tim I don’t find any trace of it either. I going to say it was a accident or a plain old mistake? All I can say is that we’re sorry it happened. You are welcome to post old time projects from QST as far as I know. It sounds like QRP and or radio to me. 72 Johnny ACØBQ
On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 2:14 PM Tim N9PUZ <main+owner@4sqrp.groups.io> wrote: EuGene, --
Check out the 4SQRP website at 4sqrp.com
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Tim, Hmmm? It was gone a while ago...I just now looked, and it is still gone...it was headed up with "Little Joe -Whatizzit?" and I don't find that anywhere on the site. Something happened to it. It doesn't matter now, as several 4SQRO members sent me copies of the QST project article or a schematic for a Little Joe. One even gave me the call of AE5VM, the Little Joe expert/guru. I know I can't discuss Non-4SQRP stuff which is in competition with the 4SQRP kits and wouldn't do so. But, I don't see how asking for how to find info on the Little Joe was a violation. All I needed was a schematic and preferably a copy of the 39 year old article on it. The Little Joe was neither a commercial rig or kit, just an old QST project. Heaven forbid if I should mention even older stuff, like a 1960's Tuna Tin, ask how a spark gap transmitter works. EuGene
On Friday, January 1, 2021, 2:14:29 PM CST, Tim N9PUZ <main+owner@4sqrp.groups.io> wrote:
EuGene, I do not see anything in the group's moderator actions log that looks like your message was deleted by an owner/moderator. Tim N9PUZ 4SQRP List Co-Moderator
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Dennis Schaefer
Yes, this is something I have wondered about. I read the group rules and was glad I did because I had once considered posting a couple of “non-4SQRP” QRP rigs for sale. I have never been closely involved with the group but did attend one Branson meeting and have enjoyed the discussions. I am glad I read the rules because I’m sure I would have had my hands slapped for the for sale items. I guess the problem is that by not being closely involved, I didn’t realize that 4SQRP is not really a club. I used to think of it as the QRP club for this region, which had a core of members who made kits. Now, I think either I misunderstood, or things have changed. I understand that the kits are a public service and no one is making a living off of them, I just didn’t realize the focus of the group had become so rigid.
I have bought a few 4SQRP rigs, and will certainly limit any future posts to those rigs or specific 4SQRP activities if I stay in the group. I sure wish there was a regional QRP group where we could discuss general QRP subjects with people in the same geographical area, and possibly occasionally sell an item to known people without resorting to eBay or QRZ.com, etc. 73, Dennis, W5RZ
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AG1P Ron
EuGene, When I look through my emails, you posted that on the qrparci site, not 4sqrp.
72 - Ron - AG1P 4SQRP Volunteer Co-Moderator
From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of bigusmith via groups.io
Tim,
Hmmm? It was gone a while ago...I just now looked, and it is still gone...it was headed up with "Little Joe -Whatizzit?" and I don't find that anywhere on the site. Something happened to it.
It doesn't matter now, as several 4SQRO members sent me copies of the QST project article or a schematic for a Little Joe. One even gave me the call of AE5VM, the Little Joe expert/guru.
I know I can't discuss Non-4SQRP stuff which is in competition with the 4SQRP kits and wouldn't do so. But, I don't see how asking for how to find info on the Little Joe was a violation. All I needed was a schematic and preferably a copy of the 39 year old article on it. The Little Joe was neither a commercial rig or kit, just an old QST project.
Heaven forbid if I should mention even older stuff, like a 1960's Tuna Tin, ask how a spark gap transmitter works.
EuGene
On Friday, January 1, 2021, 2:14:29 PM CST, Tim N9PUZ <main+owner@4sqrp.groups.io> wrote:
EuGene,
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Lee Bahr
Personally I think if you can't on rare occasions deviate a tad
on subject matter, then one should never give credit to 4SQRP on
any other reflector. That said, I don't really know what the
official ruling is on all this. I certainly don't mind a
deviation from time to time. But, I must admit, all the well
wishers at Christmas time and New Years gets a little old. If you
want to do it, send them privately. The message that bugs me is
"I agree!" Anyway, how about just being a little tolerant as
things will calm down shortly. Take a breath and stay away from
the keyboard. Life is too short for petty annoyance to take your
time! (I've got to tell myself this all the time!) Lee, w0vt
On 1/1/2021 11:53 AM, bigusmith via
groups.io wrote:
I didn't think I had done anything wrong when I sought information for something which was not a commercial product, but rather a QRP transmitter circuit published in QST 39 years ago. True there was a circuit board that I had which was made by a company which no longer exists and I had a bunch of components which were made by companies which may or may not still exist.
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All, Ron is correct, the request for info was on grparci. My TRASH folder is on emptied by Yahoo once or twice a month..... maybe once a week. Here’s a screenshot of the email. John, KK4ITX
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Frank Perkins <N6CES.r@...>
EuGene, ask anyway! If it is against the "rules", somebody in the know will politely tell you. If not, and it offends someone, don't worry, they'll get over it! Life is too short. Frank N6CES
I didn't think I had done anything wrong when I sought information for something which was not a commercial product, but rather a QRP transmitter circuit published in QST 39 years ago. True there was a circuit board that I had which was made by a company which no longer exists and I had a bunch of components which were made by companies which may or may not still exist.
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AG1P Ron
Lee, We are as tolerant as we can be. The member in question posted on another reflector, not ours, which is why he couldn’t find it here. IMHO we would have been happy to accommodate his posts on an old QST kit. 72 - Ron - AG1P 4SQRP Volunteer Co-Moderator
From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lee Bahr
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 1:49 PM To: main@4SQRP.groups.io Subject: Re: [4SQRP] My apologies
Personally I think if you can't on rare occasions deviate a tad on subject matter, then one should never give credit to 4SQRP on any other reflector. That said, I don't really know what the official ruling is on all this. I certainly don't mind a deviation from time to time. But, I must admit, all the well wishers at Christmas time and New Years gets a little old. If you want to do it, send them privately. The message that bugs me is "I agree!" Anyway, how about just being a little tolerant as things will calm down shortly. Take a breath and stay away from the keyboard. Life is too short for petty annoyance to take your time! (I've got to tell myself this all the time!) Lee, w0vt On 1/1/2021 11:53 AM, bigusmith via groups.io wrote:
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I posted the same thing on both the QRPA-ARCI and 4SQRP sites Smiff
On Friday, January 1, 2021, 3:18:33 PM CST, AG1P Ron <ag1p@...> wrote:
EuGene, When I look through my emails, you posted that on the qrparci site, not 4sqrp.
72 - Ron - AG1P 4SQRP Volunteer Co-Moderator
From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of bigusmith via groups.io
Tim,
Hmmm? It was gone a while ago...I just now looked, and it is still gone...it was headed up with "Little Joe -Whatizzit?" and I don't find that anywhere on the site. Something happened to it.
It doesn't matter now, as several 4SQRO members sent me copies of the QST project article or a schematic for a Little Joe. One even gave me the call of AE5VM, the Little Joe expert/guru.
I know I can't discuss Non-4SQRP stuff which is in competition with the 4SQRP kits and wouldn't do so. But, I don't see how asking for how to find info on the Little Joe was a violation. All I needed was a schematic and preferably a copy of the 39 year old article on it. The Little Joe was neither a commercial rig or kit, just an old QST project.
Heaven forbid if I should mention even older stuff, like a 1960's Tuna Tin, ask how a spark gap transmitter works.
EuGene
On Friday, January 1, 2021, 2:14:29 PM CST, Tim N9PUZ <main+owner@4sqrp.groups.io> wrote:
EuGene,
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Gosh, Ron, I copy pasted it first on 4SQRP then pasted in on QRP-ARCI, as I was on the 4SQRP site first. I will have to admit that in doing so I may have deleted it unknowingly on 4SQRP and didn't realize it wasn't there until some time later when I came back to the 4SQRP site. Since the Moderators' log does not show it as having been deleted by them, then I had to have screwed up somehow, and thus I owe an apology to both the moderators and the group as a whole. I don't know what I did, but it is now clear that I am the one who messed up on this missing thread posting. Mea Culpa! EuGene
On Friday, January 1, 2021, 4:00:56 PM CST, AG1P Ron <ag1p@...> wrote:
Lee, We are as tolerant as we can be. The member in question posted on another reflector, not ours, which is why he couldn’t find it here. IMHO we would have been happy to accommodate his posts on an old QST kit. 72 - Ron - AG1P 4SQRP Volunteer Co-Moderator
From: main@4SQRP.groups.io [mailto:main@4SQRP.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lee Bahr
Personally I think if you can't on rare occasions deviate a tad on subject matter, then one should never give credit to 4SQRP on any other reflector. That said, I don't really know what the official ruling is on all this. I certainly don't mind a deviation from time to time. But, I must admit, all the well wishers at Christmas time and New Years gets a little old. If you want to do it, send them privately. The message that bugs me is "I agree!" Anyway, how about just being a little tolerant as things will calm down shortly. Take a breath and stay away from the keyboard. Life is too short for petty annoyance to take your time! (I've got to tell myself this all the time!) Lee, w0vt On 1/1/2021 11:53 AM, bigusmith via groups.io wrote:
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Folks I blew it!!
I typed it first on 4SQRP then copy-pasted pasted in on QRP-ARCI, as I was on the 4SQRP site first this morning. I will have to admit that in doing so I may have deleted it unknowingly on 4SQRP and didn't realize it wasn't there until some time later when I came back to the 4SQRP site. The copy that I pasted on the QRP-ARCI groups.io site is there
Since the Moderators' log does not show it as having been deleted by them, then I had to have screwed up somehow, deleted it myself when doing the copy-paste, and thus I owe an apology to both the moderators and the group as a whole.
I don't know what I did, but it is now clear that I am the one who messed up on this missing thread posting. Mea Culpa!
EuGene, KA5NLY
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WA0ITP
Cmon Gene. Let it go. --
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